New Everton Stadium

[jaycee]

It's a pity the original Cavern was demolished.

Underground stadium i like the cut of your jib squire

 

[edge]

Wouldn't be impossible to move the channel to the left of the stadium west to create a larger area

could they build over it?
if its a choice between stonebrige and the waterfront i hope its the waterfront all day long

 

[ToffeeDoug]

.... but I also doubt he will Invest 300m into the Club and thereby increase the value of the Club by 300m but only get 49% of that increase into his own pocket...and "giving" the rest of the value increase to other shareholders.... pretty sure there will be some sort of right issue if Mosh Invests anything in the Club... that or complete ownership. He is not stupid.

You beat me to the follow up question/point - he wants to maximise his shareholding in the club so that he benefits most from the future increase in value of the club. Understood. And understandable on his part.

 

[Brennan]

Oh right. You'd rather we didn't have world heritage status than did, then?

Happy fella you, aren't ya?

Bet you don't want the cruise liners coming here as well?

I'd rather risk losing world heritage status to create a world class football stadium surrounded by bars and other hospitality which would create jobs and strengthen Liverpool's economy.

Do you have evidence that world heritage status is more valuable than that ?

Not sure what your blabbering about with the bolded bit.

 

[deipnosophist]

Underground stadium i like the cut of your jib squire

...I like to think outside (as in underneath), the square
I'm an outside the square type of squire.
My favourite animal?...squirrel.

 

[catcherintherye]

I thought convention for a Games host city was that they took responsibility for funding and delivering a stadium, plus ideally look for a future partner to take on the legacy - that as we all know is the route taken in Manchester and London (giving both legacy partners a huge competitive advantage).

Yet, albeit briefly and from a distance, if I'm reading this correctly Anderson is suggesting Everton building a stadium which is an enabler for a CG bid and future international athletics events.

Alternatively is he suggesting a council owned stadium with Everton as a long term anchor tenant? It's an interesting model and may explain further Moshiri's current and future ownership plans. How the council could fund it though is a different matter.

I can't see any benefit for Everton owning, building and funding a stadium which would be duel purpose, so this is either extreme blue sky thinking from Anderson (being kind to him) or a not previously considered model is being looked at.

Either way Everton should not and I doubt Moshiri would, compromise our best interests on location and design.

I quite like Anderson and feel some Evertonians have been overly critical of him. However I think his statement is political gamesmanship especially with the time frame on it. It feels to me like he is trying to pressure the board into building a ground quickly for whatever reason.

There are a number of possibilities as to what that might involve. However you don't need to be an expert to see that the Council and Everton will have differing interests. For Everton a ground in the City Centre along the river would be fantastic. For the City Council while it wouldn't be disastrous, filling space on the waterfront is really not going to be majorly difficult but redeveloping the area of Croxteth identified will be.

The elephant in the room is the potential bid for the commonwealth games and the requirement of a stadium. You are right to point out, in other areas that's been funded by the tax payer and we would move into it. Given government spending cuts I can't see Liverpool Council wanting to foot all, or even part of the bill. So Anderson sees a need for a new Stadium to be built. Everton need a new Stadium too and I have to say I think he sees 2 + 2 together and is coming up with 35.

I doubt either party will get exactly what they want, but I think Anderson is living in dreamworld if he thinks we will largely fund a stadium in Croxteth which they could use for Athletics and what he offers in return is discounted price on land (that he is struggling to sell). I sense and hope the new board will see right through that one.

If he wants his Athletics stadium it would be something I would be willing to compromise on but our deal breaker ought to be a City Centre, Waterfront Stadium. If part of appeasing the wider public of preferential treatment we may need to build it is we link it to LCC bid for the Commonwealth games I think that's a price worth paying. Long story short though, I think Anderson's comments are an attempt to try and push us towards his win win scenario and I think people will see through it.

 

[The Esk]

I quite like Anderson and feel some Evertonians have been overly critical of him. However I think his statement is political gamesmanship especially with the time frame on it. It feels to me like he is trying to pressure the board into building a ground quickly for whatever reason.

There are a number of possibilities as to what that might involve. However you don't need to be an expert to see that the Council and Everton will have differing interests. For Everton a ground in the City Centre along the river would be fantastic. For the City Council while it wouldn't be disastrous, filling space on the waterfront is really not going to be majorly difficult but redeveloping the area of Croxteth identified will be.

The elephant in the room is the potential bid for the commonwealth games and the requirement of a stadium. You are right to point out, in other areas that's been funded by the tax payer and we would move into it. Given government spending cuts I can't see Liverpool Council wanting to foot all, or even part of the bill. So Anderson sees a need for a new Stadium to be built. Everton need a new Stadium too and I have to say I think he sees 2 + 2 together and is coming up with 35.

I doubt either party will get exactly what they want, but I think Anderson is living in dreamworld if he thinks we will largely fund a stadium in Croxteth which they could use for Athletics and what he offers in return is discounted price on land (that he is struggling to sell). I sense and hope the new board will see right through that one.

If he wants his Athletics stadium it would be something I would be willing to compromise on but our deal breaker ought to be a City Centre, Waterfront Stadium. If part of appeasing the wider public of preferential treatment we may need to build it is we link it to LCC bid for the Commonwealth games I think that's a price worth paying. Long story short though, I think Anderson's comments are an attempt to try and push us towards his win win scenario and I think people will see through it.

Very good post. I agree totally

 

[catcherintherye]

Its a very tight fit and wouldn't allow for the same roofing system due to the fixing points of the cantilever on the outer concourse, but here it is.

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That is a little tight for a 60k stadium. However purchasing some space to the right, moving the channel to the left I think it is very feasible to see a 55k footprint with space for a club shop etc to fit in.

 

[jcgefc]

Sorry to be a pain, what stadium is that mate? Is it the Original Kings Dock?

Think it's the Etihad mate.

 

[deipnosophist]

Until I see stadium visualisations that incorporate a mono-rail, I will remain unconvinced as to any project's viability.

 

[TheFinnFan]

so from andersons point of view our only possibility to get waterfront stadium would be that it would have to be suitaple to other sports too.

 

[pablo 1878]

could they build over it?
if its a choice between stonebrige and the waterfront i hope its the waterfront all day long

Probably could build over it but would probably need to put it through a box culvert like what they have done in sections on the new canal link between Princes Dock and the Pier Head. A diverted open channel would be a lot cheaper.

Agree with you, would definitely want the waterfront over Stonebriidge Cross. Think Stonebridge Cross would be a stadium in the middle of nowhere (with all due respect to people who live around there). Part of the Goodison matchday experience is walking through Walton to the ground, drinking in local pubs, going the chippy. Matchday in Stonebridge Cross will have all the build up of a trip to Ikea in Warrington

 

[hibbo'sclass]

Until I see stadium visualisations that incorporate a mono-rail, I will remain unconvinced as to any project's viability.

Check out Liverpool Waters albeit on Wikipedia and your monorail lust will be partially sated.

 

[ToffeeDoug]

It shouldn't be falling to the Mayor of any city telling any football club anywhere when its new stadium is going to be ready, especially as there must be 526 variables at play here to be resolved comprising a good many unknown unknowns, to use Donald Rumsfeld speak.

We're being seen by LCC as an easy option to regenerate the area around Croxteth when no one else, including themselves, can be found to do so. In comparison, it's never going to be that hard to fill the old dock areas with student accommodation blocks and hotels.

 

[catcherintherye]

so from andersons point of view our only possibility to get waterfront stadium would be that it would have to be suitaple to other sports too.

I think we are all surmising really (apart from the lads who have more insider knowledge). Anderson is clearly looking to develop all areas of Liverpool. There are clearly bits that will not take a lot of work and other bits that will quire an awful lot more effort for not a great amount of reward.

I am not trying to run Croxteth down but it will never have the potential the waterfront does. In simple supply and demand terms he will have cues of people wanting to invest at the Waterfront but very few for Croxteth. There will also be bigger logistical problems with the Waterfront options and a lot of headaches for him. Purely on a simplicity level sticking us out in Croxteth is an easy solution for him. I don't blame him he must hope some of the work City have done in Manchester could be done there, it would be a big coup for him. Then you have the issue of the commonwealth games, again this would be a major coup for him. I think he sees two birds with one stone.

I don't think he has taken too seriously the idea of Everton on the Waterfront. From his perspective it doesn't solve the Croxteth issue. I think there will be a lot of horse trading between the club and Anderson but he will try to shoehorn is into Croxteth. However if we are to build on the waterfront one compromise Everton may have to give is they are prepared to link it to a Commonwealth bid. It would help with planning and selling it to the electorate. It's a compromise I'd make if we had too, but we may not have too.

Ultimately I can see now why Anderson and the last Everton board got nowhere on this issue and fell out. They are mirror images of one another. They are both essentially looking to sponge off the other to get something for nothing. With the new team in town we have a different outlook now. I think Major Anderson's may have worked 12 months ago but not so sure we'll be quite as keen to relocate to Croxteth. The fact Waterside locations are even being mentioned shows a change.