New Everton Stadium

[malfosse]

Why not fill a dock in? Logistically it isnt hard,

We could just bulldoze the North end and use that to fill in. Throw them a couple of quid as recompense, I'm not heartless.

 

[Rudolf Hucker]

Just think what the underlying strata must be like after all those years under water, would there be good solid ground to drive foundations in and how much would that cost? What would you use to fill the dock in with, how much would it require, where would all this material come from, how long would it take to fllaten all that work and to dig foundations?

Just a few queries.

That's what Piles are for.

They manage to build oil rigs in 1500ft of water.

 

[ggooggooggoo]

Just think what the underlying strata must be like after all those years under water, would there be good solid ground to drive foundations in and how much would that cost? What would you use to fill the dock in with, how much would it require, where would all this material come from, how long would it take to fllaten all that work and to dig foundations?

Just a few queries.

we could fill it with just the pillars from Goodison we have hundreds..........we will have plenty of smashed up concrete to put in the hole. We can weigh in the metal sheets at the scrappy to cover the cost of any extra needed too and still have enough for a bevy.....piece of pi55.

 

[Rudolf Hucker]

we could fill it with just the pillars from Goodison we have hundreds..........we will have plenty of smashed up concrete to put in the hole. We can weigh in the metal sheets at the scrappy to cover the cost of any extra needed too and still have enough for a bevy.....piece of pi55.

I have it from a good source that we're using those pillars inside the new stadium in order to stick with tradition.




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[UpperLeftBlue]

BK: Almost none of the seats in our new plans have obstructed views! What a new owner.

 

[Toffeelover]

It would only be the same as Trafalgar which is a filled in dock, albeit done a good few years ago.

Then Trafalgar has had time to settle.

 

[Toffeelover]

That's what Piles are for.

They manage to build oil rigs in 1500ft of water.

Not quite the same thing as building a stadium, how many piles would that need?

 

[Jacko93]

Then Trafalgar has had time to settle.

Personally, I doubt that the filling in of a Dock would cause issues that cannot be overcome. It's only the same as, and likely easier, than any reclaimed land, as it already has a good level of retaining walls which will minimise the amount of 'settling'. These are only my personal thoughts, but I could find out in more detail any difficulties it would throw up that would make it beyond doable, though I doubt they exist, they just make it cost more.

 

[Toffeelover]

Personally, I doubt that the filling in of a Dock would cause issues that cannot be overcome. It's only the same as, and likely easier, than any reclaimed land, as it already has a good level of retaining walls which will minimise the amount of 'settling'. These are only my personal thoughts, but I could find out in more detail any difficulties it would throw up that would make it beyond doable, though I doubt they exist, they just make it cost more.

Let us be clear, you would prefer Trafalgar? But what are these other docks that have been alluded to?

 

[Jacko93]

Let us be clear, you would prefer Trafalgar? But what are these other docks that have been alluded to?

I would prefer Trafalgar for a number of reasons, it's closer to town, right next to the proposed cruise terminal etc etc, but there are issues with that space due to the buildings that are around it and what runs underneath it. The docks that I have heard of as a possibility though are the docks at the very north of the Peel development, Bramley-Moore. That would suit Peel in a number of ways as it doesn't break up the zoning that they have already set out in their masterplan and it drags the investment out potentially making it easier for them to 'fill in' the space as they can start from both ends. It is also a slightly larger area than Trafalgar, though only by about 1-2 acres or so allowing further development on that space for Everton with RE hotels, museum etc, create an Everton zone. What it would do for us is it would stand out on it's own all the time and not be towered over by high rise buildings on both sides, 'Goodison' would almost be considered to be the very start of Liverpool for people coming into the city by sea, in much the same way were the very start of Football in the city. The other thing as I understand it, is that any land Everton were to build on, will be owned by Everton, bought off Peel and removed from their portfolio. I expect there will be a thought by Peel that it is easier to lose a section of the edge than a prime chunk in the middle.

I dont know anything about thought process or whats driving what in terms of what and where, I am only summising based on what I heard about Bramley-Moore. I'm pretty sure that I read somewhere though that Peel are selling the land to developers to realise their vision rather than renting out the land forever.

 

[monty]

Personally, I doubt that the filling in of a Dock would cause issues that cannot be overcome. It's only the same as, and likely easier, than any reclaimed land, as it already has a good level of retaining walls which will minimise the amount of 'settling'. These are only my personal thoughts, but I could find out in more detail any difficulties it would throw up that would make it beyond doable, though I doubt they exist, they just make it cost more.

It will be interesting to find out who has the duty of filling the docks in, holes in the ground are very profitable but it is vital that drainage suitable for growing grass is done properly coupled with potential subsidence in the future if the dumped material is not compacted correctly. Who knows it would be a nice place for the envious RS to bury their blue hostility although that will only increase when they become the also rans.

 

[Jacko93]

It will be interesting to find out who has the duty of filling the docks in, holes in the ground are very profitable but it is vital that drainage suitable for growing grass is done properly coupled with potential subsidence in the future if the dumped material is not compacted correctly. Who knows it would be a nice place for the envious RS to bury their blue hostility although that will only increase when they become the also rans.

Assuming that it will all be completely filled in of course. Could lead to an main concourse that is on level 1 maybe. I realise that it would cause issue with the water table like.....

 

[Toffeelover]

I would prefer Trafalgar for a number of reasons, it's closer to town, right next to the proposed cruise terminal etc etc, but there are issues with that space due to the buildings that are around it and what runs underneath it. The docks that I have heard of as a possibility though are the docks at the very north of the Peel development, Bramley-Moore. That would suit Peel in a number of ways as it doesn't break up the zoning that they have already set out in their masterplan and it drags the investment out potentially making it easier for them to 'fill in' the space as they can start from both ends. It is also a slightly larger area than Trafalgar, though only by about 1-2 acres or so allowing further development on that space for Everton with RE hotels, museum etc, create an Everton zone. What it would do for us is it would stand out on it's own all the time and not be towered over by high rise buildings on both sides, 'Goodison' would almost be considered to be the very start of Liverpool for people coming into the city by sea, in much the same way were the very start of Football in the city. The other thing as I understand it, is that any land Everton were to build on, will be owned by Everton, bought off Peel and removed from their portfolio. I expect there will be a thought by Peel that it is easier to lose a section of the edge than a prime chunk in the middle.

I dont know anything about thought process or whats driving what in terms of what and where, I am only summising based on what I heard about Bramley-Moore. I'm pretty sure that I read somewhere though that Peel are selling the land to developers to realise their vision rather than renting out the land forever.

Still do not see Bramley Dock as being a possible - right next door to sewage works and recycling plus a timber yard plus another dock lies south of here towards Trafalgar!

 

[Lee Smith]

I think it would be a good idea if we just fill in a dock with the crushed hopes and dreams of Liverpool fans

 

[Bungle]

BK: Almost none of the seats in our new plans have obstructed views! What a new owner.

Red seats and a brick wall, what could possibly go wrong...