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New Everton Stadium

14_dollars said:
Ah just seen your follow up note.

I agree that any capacity increase is unlikely at least for a few years.
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We'll see. I literally phoned up my old man (ex director of building control in local authorities ; see previous). I was surprised by his "NO" (emphatic) about the safe standing

He started quoting post Hillsborough to me (he was in local gov back then). They will want lots of evidence to show that the club can control fans and keep them safe, if they allow greater than 1:1

The local authorities and emergency services have a lot of say on the safety certificate and the licencing of the ground and SGSA issue guidance.

Thats why I think 1.5 won't be granted based on what @Tom Hughes highlighted. It'll be 1.3:1

They will always go with the safest most conservative, option in terms of it and Tom in his post highlighted the technical points versus the green book.

Tom Hughes said:
Yes.... 2 × 350mm + 50mm for rail seat corresponds to a seated tier of 750mm. This is the bare minimum for greater than 1:1 ratio. The green guide still has a minimum personal spacial allowance. That only equates to 1.3 to 1.5:1 ratio for 750mm seated tread depth. Most German stadia where rail seats are 800 up to 1000mm for that reason.
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Damo_1878 said:
We'll see. I literally phoned up my old man (ex director of building control in local authorities ; see previous). I was surprised by his "NO" (emphatic) about the safe standing

He started quoting post Hillsborough to me (he was in local gov back then). They will want lots of evidence to show that the club can control fans and keep them safe, if they allow greater than 1:1

The local authorities and emergency services have a lot of say on the safety certificate and the licencing of the ground and SGSA issue guidance.

Thats why I think 1.5 won't be granted based on what @Tom Hughes highlighted. It'll be 1.3:1

They will always go with the safest most conservative, option in terms of it and Tom in his post highlighted the technical points versus the green book.
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All good context. So one question is whether some of the evidence that typically may be required is already built in to the design (bigger concourse, more options for exit, safety procedures etc).
 
billypatrick said:
All good context. So one question is whether some of the evidence that typically may be required is already built in to the design (bigger concourse, more options for exit, safety procedures etc).
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Most of it should but Tom highlighted the personal space recommended limit suggests 1.3 to 1.5 to 1 ratio according to SGSA green guide

Hence in rail seating I think we may get max of 1.3 to one if legislation changes

That means +2500 on 7500

(That's not applicable throughout the stadium mind)

But you still have to convince local authorities, emergency services and licensing experts

So possible a 55,000 or 56,000 capacity at the stadium might happen, without taking the roof off and adding to the upper tiers
 
Kever10 said:
Screens aren't big enough if you ask me. Should've/could've been much bigger.
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Damo_1878 said:
We'll see. I literally phoned up my old man (ex director of building control in local authorities ; see previous). I was surprised by his "NO" (emphatic) about the safe standing

He started quoting post Hillsborough to me (he was in local gov back then). They will want lots of evidence to show that the club can control fans and keep them safe, if they allow greater than 1:1

The local authorities and emergency services have a lot of say on the safety certificate and the licencing of the ground and SGSA issue guidance.

Thats why I think 1.5 won't be granted based on what @Tom Hughes highlighted. It'll be 1.3:1

They will always go with the safest most conservative, option in terms of it and Tom in his post highlighted the technical points versus the green book.
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I would assume it will go up in small increments to show it works in practice. Expect 1:1 until the big clubs start wanting an increase and then it will go to 1:1.1 and so on with time to take stock after each change.

Where we have a head start is that all our concourses, facilities and exits are already baked in to handle an increase in capacity. Others will have to catch up before the clamour starts.
 
The binman chronicles said:
I would assume it will go up in small increments to show it works in practice. Expect 1:1 until the big clubs start wanting an increase and then it will go to 1:1.1 and so on with time to take stock after each change.

Where we have a head start is that all our concourses, facilities and exits are already baked in to handle an increase in capacity. Others will have to catch up before the clamour starts.
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Yeah mate, part of my thinking is that it gives Friedkins the semblance of a business plan to increase capacity.

Year 1, 52888 (or as someone posted ex Laings allegedly 53k+ not included in calculations)
Year 2, or Year 3, new rail seating 1.3:1 = 55,188
Year 4 or Year 5 take roof off and add capacity East, West and South stands? (or options thereof I don't know) add 7000 seats equivalent across these stands = 62,188

The magic number 60k+ is hit.

It's making me sit here and feel more comfortable that we may not be so limited and within several years Friedkins could go - "Build it" and we go 60k+

It makes me feel much better. They're only adding on apparently not adding other facilities like WCs etc as that is already done.
 
Damo_1878 said:
I'd highlight @Jacko93 that the 52,888 capacity already includes "safe standing" rail seating in the south stand lower tier (home end) and in the lower section of the away end in the north east corner.



It's therefore not really a feasible to plan to significantly increase capacity at BMD further using "safe standing" as that capacity increase is already included.

It's going to need the roof taking off and increase the size of the tiers to really boost it further IMHO

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Wrong.


Pipedown and stop thinking you know it all soft lad.
Stick to being a top lawyer / finance expert / military strategist and weapons expert / Esk's buttplug / stalker of minor local radio celebrities.


You've enough on your plate without becoming stadium guru too.
 


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