New Everton Stadium

[orly]

Unsavoury

I tell you what is unsavoury mate.

People passing off information because, and please check my working, they've got a source who has a source and they've verified the veracity of said source by asking an (albeit sound) individual off the internet that they've never met.

It's like the Isabel Oakeshott of forum ITKship


Anyway, as far as it is in the public domain and confirmed Everton are developing the external features of Goodison and this is great.

 

[KUEFC09U2]

Hahaha

I'm going to go with ex-Everton professional of very high standing in our history who also has a track record for leaking ropey info.

And you're hearing it all third hand too. Sublime ITKing

Not an ex everton pro at all, actually someone still at the club, none playing or coaching side

 

[orly]

Not an ex everton pro at all, actually someone still at the club, none playing or coaching side

We've got a majority owner that texts directly to sky presenters and a chairman who loves to give Paul Joyce et al the inside track and yet neither have confirmed the land sale, but your source's source can confirm that we have made a £20m land purchase in the city of Liverpool where no one more senior is prepared to?

C'mon Kev.

 

[Dr Baxter]

I am expecting a formal announcement from the club re the stadium by the end of October.

October? Any particular year? Let's hope it's true. This has been like being a 7 year old waiting for Christmas when a year lasts for 20 years.

 

[Zaschrona]

Well worth a watch shows the flexibility of stadiums, and how to create a destination hub' with multiple use venues.

If not simply skip to 30mins to see the concept behind this (which is getting built incidentally)

This video is really, really interesting. And I think a flexible stadium is totally what we should want and need. The highest priority should definetely be to create the best possible place for EFC and our home games, definetely. But the new stadium really has to exist for other things than only football - ideally the stadium should hold events every day. It has to be a football stadium that supports multipurpose use. A football stadium can easily hold events like boxing, concerts, corporate events and similar things. But if today's technologies support a movable first tier or movable pitch and other things like that, then a conversion to a first-class athletics stadium maybe would not be out of the reality at all. If you can really convert your stadium quite easily from a great football stadium with stands close to the pitch to a stadium that can held a few athletics competitions in June/July and then convert it back easily for the football, we should definetely try to at least consider it! Imagine a Diamond League athletics race every year in Liverpool, could be a big success. If there is a way while it can be 100% Evertonian stadium at the same time, why not?

Similarly, if we can convert the stadium quite easily into a NFL stadium, we should aim to support that option as well. NFL in London is quite a success and there are rumours a franchise in London may not be out of the question in a few years. Tottenham are building their new stadium to support NFL games as well. I think we should aim for the similar. One or two exhibition games a year could be a great idea for all sides involved, could raise up the game here and if London NFL franchise becomes a reality sometimes in the future, then it is highly likely NFL would want to expand to at least a whole division in Britain/Europe to create rivalries and to keep travelling on a sustainable level. NFL is becoming more and more popular in Europe - we should be prepared to own a stadium that can support a NFL franchise. Could be absolutely massive even it is a huge long-shot right now. NFL in 2040 - a British divison with 2 teams in London, a team in Manchester and a team in Liverpool? Could be a massive rivalry one day, who knows. We should be prepared if it is achievable for a reasonable price.

Similarly we should be prepared to host a rugby game. Maybe a club from Merseyside could become so big they could use our stadium as their home stadium or at least a rugby WC game when it is in England again. Things like speedway maybe as well?

And there are some other options as well - new Lille football stadium has an option to raise half of the pitch above the other. That creates a stadium that can be used for events like tennis, basketball, handball or volleyball. It hosted Davis Cup finals, European Championships in basketball and it will host handball World Cup. And looks like this for football:

and for basketball:

Price? 300 million euros and it has 50k capacity for football, 27k for indoor sports. Retractable roof. Imagine this with 60k capacity mixed with new Tottenham stadium (should cost maybe as high as 750 million pounds) supporting NFL and mixed with a new technology that would allow us to maybe raise the pitch above the first tier to create an 30k athletics stadium. Could allow us to support Liverpool hosting all kinds of the biggest sporting actions, serve the community and profit from it as a club as well.

I really want our new stadium to be something really special an unique and not to serve to only our club. And something really special would involve things like this. Just imagine an amazing design and its place on the waterfront. Could really be one of the best stadiums in the world and the price of a stadium like that may not be too expensive as well. Especially with news that Tottenham are looking into getting 400+ million pounds for naming rights deal for their new stadium. We should be able to get quite a huge deal as well especially if we are able to raise up the table and get back into the Europe.

 

[Dr Baxter]

Just a thought regarding sponsorship of a new stadium. What are the restrictions on a logo on or above a stadium from a legal point of view? Certainly there are restrictions on the size of the logos on shirts and on the size of posters around the pitch, I believe. What about a huge Coca-Cola sign or similar right on the waterfront, clearly visible by day and lit up by night? How much would naming rights be worth to us with something like that? It would be on every shot of the riverfront, from postcards to posters to TV adverts and everything else you can think of. I'd like to think the money men at the club are thinking along these lines.

 

[Jeff Jones]

Not being funny but do we actually have the match going fanbase nowadays to sell out a 55-60k stadium ?

we don't sell out that many games in a 40k stadium do we ?

Upton Park's record crowd is 42,000 in 1970, it's capacity is 35,000 and West Ham drew 56,000 v Watford at its new ground.

Even allowing for the fact that it was their 1st match there, I think that answers your question

 

[tim gabbott]

Upton Park's record crowd is 42,000 in 1970, it's capacity is 35,000 and West Ham drew 56,000 v Watford at its new ground.

Even allowing for the fact that it was their 1st match there, I think that answers your question

It's all about pricing .. It's like McCoy crisps / price it right and they will come

 

[anton66]

It's all about pricing .. It's like McCoy crisps / price it right and they will come

Come into a packet of crisps? Now that is very unsavoury.

 

[orly]

Upton Park's record crowd is 42,000 in 1970, it's capacity is 35,000 and West Ham drew 56,000 v Watford at its new ground.

Even allowing for the fact that it was their 1st match there, I think that answers your question

It doesn't at all.

That first game and subsequent others have had a significant number of transitory support - that is to say people wearing other club jerseys or London day trippers who fancy watching a game (Stratford at the end of the DLR, very easy to get to). It's one of the contributory factors to the bad crowd issues.

We are on the other hand are based in a city split on the core Everton/Liverpool tribalism, and we aren't going to get this level of "nothing better to do" support on the day. 45k with a view to future expansion and top facilities would be the better bet

 

[Saint Domingo]

Only thing about the naming rights is what happens to a stadiums identity when the sponsor changes? Imagine the Allianz, Etihad or Emirates called something else. It's a bit like Stoke's bet365 stadium when Stoke fans have come to know and love it as the Brit. I'd rather go without the naming rights initially, you could call it New Goodiaon or whatever you wanted, then once that name is in the vernacular you could slap whatever sponsor logo you want on the side, no one would call it by that name anyway (which is probably why big names don't normally give the naming rights to existing stadiums)

 

[Zaschrona]

It doesn't at all.

That first game and subsequent others have had a significant number of transitory support - that is to say people wearing other club jerseys or London day trippers who fancy watching a game (Stratford at the end of the DLR, very easy to get to). It's one of the contributory factors to the bad crowd issues.

We are on the other hand are based in a city split on the core Everton/Liverpool tribalism, and we aren't going to get this level of "nothing better to do" support on the day. 45k with a view to future expansion and top facilities would be the better bet

WHU sold 52k SEASON tickets. If our stadium is a success we can easily sell at least 40k season tickets as well. 50k stadium is an absolute minimum then. I think we can support 60k stadium if we come up with a good concept where we can close the highest tier of the stadium if needed for smaller matches so it wouldn't affect the atmosphere at all. We can sell out even a game vs Middlesbrough these days at Goodison. I think we can afford 60k stadium to just be in the same category of clubs like Arsenal, Spurs, Chelsea, Liverpool, Man City.

 

[LABlue2]

Only thing about the naming rights is what happens to a stadiums identity when the sponsor changes? Imagine the Allianz, Etihad or Emirates called something else. It's a bit like Stoke's bet365 stadium when Stoke fans have come to know and love it as the Brit. I'd rather go without the naming rights initially, you could call it New Goodiaon or whatever you wanted, then once that name is in the vernacular you could slap whatever sponsor logo you want on the side, no one would call it by that name anyway (which is probably why big names don't normally give the naming rights to existing stadiums)

Naming rights will need to go in place at the start because as you said, no company will pay shed loads of money for a sponsorship just to hear it being called "New Goodison Park"

All of those stadiums do have permanent proper non-sponsor names in case there is not a sponsor at the time

 

[LABlue2]

It doesn't at all.

That first game and subsequent others have had a significant number of transitory support - that is to say people wearing other club jerseys or London day trippers who fancy watching a game (Stratford at the end of the DLR, very easy to get to). It's one of the contributory factors to the bad crowd issues.

We are on the other hand are based in a city split on the core Everton/Liverpool tribalism, and we aren't going to get this level of "nothing better to do" support on the day. 45k with a view to future expansion and top facilities would be the better bet

45k? were sold at 40k with thousands of obstructed views

no one is spending hundreds of millions and years of time to add 5k seats

 

[Jeff Jones]

It doesn't at all.

That first game and subsequent others have had a significant number of transitory support - that is to say people wearing other club jerseys or London day trippers who fancy watching a game (Stratford at the end of the DLR, very easy to get to). It's one of the contributory factors to the bad crowd issues.

We are on the other hand are based in a city split on the core Everton/Liverpool tribalism, and we aren't going to get this level of "nothing better to do" support on the day. 45k with a view to future expansion and top facilities would be the better bet

Yes, I'm aware of all that, but that crowd was 20,000 - say it slowly - more than their capacity at Upton Park.

I don't know what sort of crowds they drew last season, which was one of their best, but I bet they were nowhere near 35,000, and
I'm sure their attendances will be far greater this season.

Over the years, Everton's crowds have fallen as the Goodison Park capacity has reduced. We had 70,000 plus crowds, then 55,000
crowds, and then 39,000 crowds, All in line with capacity and facilities.