davek
Player Valuation: £150m
All part of the cunning plan to expose 'the brand'.
The wheels have come off this feller now. Exposed as practically useless. I notice he's got a deputy CEO now, and she'll no doubt take his post soon.
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All part of the cunning plan to expose 'the brand'.
The wheels have come off this feller now. Exposed as practically useless. I notice he's got a deputy CEO now, and she'll no doubt take his post soon.
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like a walton cowboy...
Magus
Player Valuation: £8m
Just got back from a week's holiday to see this - not very impressed.
I shouldn't really comment on the shirt, because I am too old and porky to wear one, but this one makes last year's look good.
The worst part though is that our shirts always seem to look cheaply made when you see someone wearing them in the street or the pub.
The only exception I can think of in recent years is the Vanilla, which always looked smart.
I shouldn't really comment on the shirt, because I am too old and porky to wear one, but this one makes last year's look good.
The worst part though is that our shirts always seem to look cheaply made when you see someone wearing them in the street or the pub.
The only exception I can think of in recent years is the Vanilla, which always looked smart.
arminisgod
Player Valuation: £35m
Personally, i think its a nice shirt. Not sure why everyone is moaning about it
Dave, can you please explain how you would have turned a £500k per annum negative commercial department in to a profitable one, without the need to outsource the activity?
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
I have no idea. Am I meant to? Seems to me the outsourcing was a case of short termism to get cash in upfront ahead of the Kirkby stadium decision. That's what was at the back of the Kitbag giveaway: money in hand to push on with a stadium move,
We shouldn't be ouitsourcing full stop. Surely we can expect club officers with MBAs and a director brought on board to offer his 'global reputation and expertise as a commercial operator' to come up with a way of making this work for us?
A ten year deal with Kitbag worth £3M per year for everything, whilst a club like Villa get £4M per year just for selling their kit themselves?
That's not right.
If you don't know then how do you know its wrong?? Because it doesn't make sense to you??
Many, many businesses outsource, its not wrong otherwise it wouldn't be done; its turned a negative into a positive with minimal outlay, its removed a lot of overheads, staff time and other hidden costs which people will be unaware of. The only thing that matters is the department is now proftable. Don't slate it if you don't understand it
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
I understand what we gave away to Kitbag doesn't amount to what Villa got for a shirt deal alone. I understand the circumstances surrounding that giveaway.
Apparently you believe £3m p.a. for 10 years for all our merchandise represents a great deal.
I'll leave it to others to decide what sort of business acumen you have.
See, now thats were you are wrong. I never said that £3m(p.a.) was a good deal, now you're putting words in my mouth. What I said was that outsourcing is not a bad idea, and given the circumstances that we were loosing £500k a year how you would go about turning it around.
You replied you had no idea, you think outsourcing to kitbag is wrong yet you don't know why. Your only argument is Villa get £xx, were Villa loosing money?? Did they need to outsource?? Would there overheads be different by keeping it in-house? Do they have a bigger fan base? How many outlets, owned by the club, do they have?? All these questions (and many more) need to looked at before making a sweeping statement.
Its not a case of 2+2 = 4, if it was then you would probably understand.
Anyway, not arguing; you've answered that you have no idea, but you just know deep down. its wrong.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
That's why I said 'apparently'. It indicates that I dont know for sure, but it follows from what you were saying that you'd support the deal given you are in favour of outsourcing. So that clears that up then anyway: we both think the Kitbag deal at £3M p.a. is ****. Good to know we agree.
You defended outsourcing as a strategy for a business that was losing cash. I put it to you that keeping things in-house had allowed Villa to get more from their merchandising for just their shirt deal with Macron. To a layman who has no idea maybe you, with your greater grasp of business, can put me right on the Villa v Everton situation - with all the attendant possible differences between the two clubs - and press home your case that outsourcing for them made less sense?
I think you both make fair points to be fair
I know far too little to make an educated foray into the discussion myself
blueburns1878
Player Valuation: £500k
Definitely think its the one with two bands as on the picture with Martinez holding up the everton scarf it has the two bands on it near the crest
im hoping the away or 3rd is less boring. the away kit on the 1st page looked nice. id buy that, the badge wont put me off buying a kit.
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