New Main Stand

[davids]

The towers were not made of stone, so could not be dismantled. They were made of reinforced concrete so had to be destroyed. The towers were a tribute to the lands and people of India. The site of the stadium was London's attempt at an Eiffel Tower, Watkins Tower. The foundations dropped under construction and the structure was abandoned and demolished.

The city of Glasgow gave £100,000 for the construction of the first Wembley stadium. For most of its existence, and what made it viable, was dog racing. After a few years they were considering demolishing the stadium after the 1925 world's fair. Dog racing saved it. Watkins Tower:

Sorry I have to disagree any structure can be moved.......I watch The Discovery Channel

 

[edge]

Sorry I have to disagree any structure can be moved.......I watch The Discovery Channel

the left overs of the towers, after being knocked down were used in the footings of the new wembley so they would always be part of wembley, the two crowns off the top were saved, if you can move whole building on a truck im sure it could have been done , i watch discovery channel as well.

 

[jungleburger]

Is that Steve Round behind them hoardings

No but that is deffo Davie Moyes talking to the grey haired fella on the pitch

 

[Chang Elephant]

The club has just released an architects impression of how the approach to the new stadium will look - thoughts ?

 

[Inner-city]

Looks good to me. Thank you for your solid contribution to this thread.

 

[magicjuan]

Looks good to me. Thank you for your solid contribution to this thread.

Curious as to why you think that these rail connections are so important? In the pre DK arguments the club put forward most supporters they were looking for came from the notorious east lancs corridor. This idea of rail fantasy is more to do with revenge on Beeching than planning for Everton's ground. I'm not opposed to the reintroduction of disused rail being reclaimed, but it doesn't fit Everton FC purposes.

 

[Big Neville Southall]

Curious as to why you think that these rail connections are so important? In the pre DK arguments the club put forward most supporters they were looking for came from the notorious east lancs corridor. This idea of rail fantasy is more to do with revenge on Beeching than planning for Everton's ground. I'm not opposed to the reintroduction of disused rail being reclaimed, but it doesn't fit Everton FC purposes.

Kirkdale is close by and the trains aren't exactly heaving. If it came down to it you could put on extra trains like they do of a morning. People seem to have the impression that Kirkdale is far away it's not, I've been a sad arse and timed it, it 10 mins walk, call it 15 mins if you want, it's nothing.

It would be daft to say no to opportunity of an extra line opening up of course, but I don't think it's the be all and end all, beneficial yes certainly.

Perhaps the ones that work it out don't factor in that many people have all dayers on match days, so it's not a case of everyone is on the same couple of trains.

 

[Muggins]

Kirkdale is close by and the trains aren't exactly heaving. If it came down to it you could put on extra trains like they do of a morning. People seem to have the impression that Kirkdale is far away it's not, I've been a sad arse and timed it, it 10 mins walk, call it 15 mins if you want, it's nothing.

It would be daft to say no to opportunity of an extra line opening up of course, but I don't think it's the be all and end all, beneficial yes certainly.

Perhaps the ones that work it out don't factor in that many people have all dayers on match days, so it's not a case of everyone is on the same couple of trains.

spot on mate. Agree Kirkdale is short walk and does the job. Probably not much further than Finsbury Park station to the Emirates at Arsenal away...

 

[Inner-city]

Curious as to why you think that these rail connections are so important? In the pre DK arguments the club put forward most supporters they were looking for came from the notorious east lancs corridor. This idea of rail fantasy is more to do with revenge on Beeching than planning for Everton's ground. I'm not opposed to the reintroduction of disused rail being reclaimed, but it doesn't fit Everton FC purposes.

This is not rail fantasy whatsoever - only the ignorant think that - that is not a sneer. I am no train enthusiast but I know what mass-transit rail can do for a city and stadia. All large successful cities have it. It is clear you know nothing of transport and environmental planning, etc. Try to learn a little. Common sense will tell you that if you get the fans en-mass to and from a stadium in comfort, and fast, from all over Merseyside and beyond they will turn up. It is simple logical business practice. That is why shops near transport arteries and interchanges do great business and those remote do not.

Mass transit rail is the answer to stadia success and hey presto Merseyside has one!!! with mothballed lines and tunnels ready to use. A pity EFC did not know that. It is called Merseyrail and it is the largest in the country after London and the second oldest underground network in the world. When buildings a new stadium it is totally and utterly foolish not to use this, as it promotes business. It is also environmentally beneficial and less nuisance to surrounding residents. Cars are taken off the roads reducing road clogging and vastly reduced emissions to boot. It all makes common sense. You have been given this link so please read and understand it.
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/watercity/Rapid-Transit-Football.html

Arsenal have not won anything for 8 years, yet their 60,000 stadium has been full for each match since opening. Ever wondered why they have this phenomenal stadium success? The 27 mass-transit rail platforms that surround the stadium is the prime reason why. Give them quality transport access and top quality stadium facilities and they turn up. It is no secret! Hence why West Ham will become a big club in 8 to 10 years time.

Everton FC screwed up on Kirkby because they never understood transport provision and the way society is viewing transport for the future - especially efficient rail. We are moving back to rail - HS2 etc, etc. The DfT has spent a fortune on Manchester's tram-train Metrolink and fortune on London's rail with £18bn on Crossrail alone - which will benefit West Ham no end. They have even built a new underground station between St. Pancras and Kings X.

The point is primarily what is beneficial to the city as whole not the two clubs and their narrow-minded selfish fans. When it is beneficial to the city it cascades to the two clubs as all meshes together. Having a remote top quality stadium with poor transport means poor business and hence poor revenue intake. It is not difficult to figure out. It is that simple.

BTW, I have been on about mass-transit access to the new stadium site and to the existing ground. So the stay a GP luddites can stop their stupid childish posts. Keeping the status quo means decline.

 

[Inner-city]

Kirkdale is close by and the trains aren't exactly heaving.

Because the station is too far away and it is not a direct walk - you have to know where it is. I see no prominent signs pointing fans to the station. The two clubs have been told that if they increase capacity they have to address the transport problem. Walton Lane is right near GP and can double for the two clubs using Ince Ave, so two birds killed with one stone. Also Kirkdale does not have high throughput.

Look at the picture. Arsenal have THREE stations within yards of the stadium Holloway Rd, Arsenal and Drayton Park and many more a short walk away.

Transport planning is not the strong point with Evertonins - even the owners.

 

[D410]

There is not rail fantasy whatsoever. It clear you know nothing of transport and environmental planning, etc. Try to learn a little. Common sense will tell you that if you get the fans en-mass to and from a stadium in comfort, and fast, from all over Merseyside and beyond they will turn up. It is simple logical business practice. That is why shops near transport arteries and interchanges do great business and those remote do not. Mass transit rail is the answer to stadia success and hey presto Merseyside has one!!! A pity EFC did not know that. It is called Merseyrail and it is the largest in the country after London and the second oldest underground network in the world. When buildings a new stadium it is totally and utterly foolish not to use this, as it promotes business. It is also environmentally beneficial and less nuisance to surrounding residents. Cars are taken off the roads reducing road clogging and vastly reduced emissions to boot. It all makes common sense. You have been given this link so please read and understand it.
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/watercity/Rapid-Transit-Football.html

Arsenal have not won anything for 8 years, yet their 60,000 stadium has been full for each match since opening. Ever wondered why they have this phenomenal stadium success? The 27 mass-transit rail platforms that surround the stadium is the prime reason why. Give them quality transport access and a top quality stadium facilities and they turn up. It is no secret! Hence why West Ham will become a big club in 8 to 10 years time.

Everton FC screwed up on Kirkby because they never understood transport provision and the way society is viewing transport for the future - especially efficient rail. We are moving back to rail - HS2 etc, etc.

The point is primarily what is beneficial to the city as whole not the two clubs an their narrow-minded selfish fans. When it is beneficial to the city it cascades to the two clubs as all meshes together. Having a remote top quality stadium with poor transport means poor business and hence poor revenue intake. It is not difficult to figure out. It is that simple.

BTW, I have been on about mass-transit access to the new stadium site and to the existing ground. So the stay a GP luddites can stop their stupid childish posts.

If you think Everton screwed up Kirkby for those reasons alone then with all due respect ...your crackers mate.

Go read the Public Inquiry documents.

 

[Big Neville Southall]

Because the station is too far away and it is not a direct walk - you have to know where it is. I see no prominent signs pointing fans to the station. Walton Lane is right near GP and can double for the two clubs using Ince Ave, so two birds killed with one stone. Also Kirkdale does not have high throughput.

As I said Inner City, one at Walton Lane certainly would be beneficial. That Canada line, I expect would serve a wider purpose than Everton?

 

[scratchnsurf]

Question for you mate.

Thomas the tank engine, could it happen in real life?

Reptastic.

 

[Inner-city]

If you think Everton screwed up Kirkby for those reasons alone then with all due respect ...your crackers mate.

Go read the Public Inquiry documents.

Believe me sunshine I am far from crackers. Maybe you want a ****ty old ground that is crap to park near and difficult to get to by public transport and play in the Championship. Fine by me - but not what I want.

I read it in detail and transport access was a prime reason for rejection. The club screwed up - naïve. As I have posted they could have put the stadium nearer to Kirkby station and partially paid to uprate the small one track station. The station is also a terminal for trains from Wigan and Manchester, so attracting fans from out in Lancashire and Grt Manchester.

The best is a new stadium with a station under the stadium (could be a raised stadium and the station at ground level) as Lords Cricket ground are contemplating - tunnels run under the Nursery end. The fans go directly into to the ground from the station eliminating local nuisance. Hull's old ground had this. You could buy a ticket that included the admission and rail fare.

Lords below: Three tunnels run under the Nursery end, just above the main stadium in the picture, and run left to right in the picture. They want to create a station under in the tunnels with direct stadium access. There is also a London Underground tunnel under the road to the top of the picture which is also a consideration. There are many sites in Liverpool where a stadium could be over a mass-transit line.

 

[Inner-city]

As I said Inner City, one at Walton Lane certainly would be beneficial. That Canada line, I expect would serve a wider purpose than Everton?

Exactly. The city and the districts it runs though would greatly benefit. Rail lines assist greatly in creating economic growth. So a win, win all around.

But I cannot see Everton staying at the inadequate GP site, so a new site next to, or over, a mass-transit rail line is the way forward. Getting LFC, DfT and the council on-board is the way to go forward. I prefer a site on a reopening of the eastern section of the Outer Loop, creating a mass-transit rail loop of the city, and near to trunk roads. The city has to pursue this option.