New Main Stand

[Parabellum]

I read it and transport access was a prime reason for rejection. The club screwed up - naïve. As I have posted they could have put the stadium near to Kirkby station and partially paid to uprate the small one track station. The station is also a terminal for trains from Wigan and Manchester.

The best is a new stadium with a station under the stadium (could be a raised stadium and the station at ground level) as Lords Cricket ground are contemplating - tunnels run under the Nursery end. The fans go directly into to the ground from the station eliminating local nuisance. Hull's old ground had this. You could buy a ticket that included the admission and rail fare.

I couldn't think of anything more depressing.

 

[Inner-city]

I couldn't think of anything more depressing.

I would love to get off a nice warm train and walk directly into the stands, especially in winter. It also drastically reduces nuisance to local people, so easy to get planning permission - the reason why Lords are considering it as they want to take the ground to 50,000. Lords station would also serve the local district. You have the choice of going into the stadium or street, and then back into the stadium.

You see many of us have a social consciences. I do not think of me, me, me.

 

[Dooguk]

I would love to get off a nice train and walk directly into the stands. It also drastically reduces nuisance to local people, so easy to get planning permission - the reason why Lords are considering it as they want to take the ground to 50,000. You see I have a social conscience. I do not think of me, me, me.

Will there be underground pubs?

 

[Big Neville Southall]

Exactly. The city and the districts it runs though would greatly benefit. Rail lines assist greatly in creating economic growth. So a win, win all around.

But I cannot see Everton staying at the inadequate GP site, so a new site next to, or over, a mass-transit rail line is the way forward. Getting LFC, DfT and the council on-board is the way to go forward. I prefer a site on a reopening of the eastern section of the Outer Loop, creating a mass-transit rail loop of the city, and near to trunk roads. The city has to pursue this option.

I'm with you on the Canada Line then. I expect everyone is too. Get the ball rolling Inner City!

 

[D410]

Believe me sunshine I am far from crackers. Maybe you want a ****ty old ground that is crap to park near and difficult to get to by public transport and play in the Championship. Fine by me - but not what I want.

I read it in detail and transport access was a prime reason for rejection. The club screwed up - naïve. As I have posted they could have put the stadium nearer to Kirkby station and partially paid to uprate the small one track station. The station is also a terminal for trains from Wigan and Manchester, so attracting fans from out in Lancashire and Grt Manchester.

The best is a new stadium with a station under the stadium (could be a raised stadium and the station at ground level) as Lords Cricket ground are contemplating - tunnels run under the Nursery end. The fans go directly into to the ground from the station eliminating local nuisance. Hull's old ground had this. You could buy a ticket that included the admission and rail fare.

Lords below: Three tunnels run under the Nursery end, just above the main stadium in the picture, and run left to right in the picture. They want to create a station under in the tunnels with direct stadium access. There is also a London Underground tunnel under the road to the top of the picture which is also a consideration. There are many sites in Liverpool where a stadium could be over a mass-transit line.

The negative impact of the retail development on surrounding areas, with neighbouring authorities Liverpool, St Helens and Sefton all objecting, outweighed the regeneration benefits for Kirkby was the answer you should have provided. !

 

[Inner-city]

Will there be underground pubs?

You have drink problem. Get it sorted.

 

[Inner-city]

I'm with you on the Canada Line then. I expect everyone is too. Get the ball rolling Inner City!

LFC have it rolling, but EFC can gain by getting involved. However their desires are away from GP, so EFC are not bothered and would not contribute to any new station at Walton Lane.

 

[Inner-city]

The negative impact of the retail development on surrounding areas, with neighbouring authorities Liverpool, St Helens and Sefton all objecting, outweighed the regeneration benefits for Kirkby was the answer you should have provided. !

No. That was a part of it not the full answer. Transport was heavily criticised. If the surrounding towns never complained (their cases were slim anyhow) it would have been rejected on transport alone. That is the right answer.

 

[D410]

No. That was a part of it not the full answer. Transport was heavily criticised. If the surrounding towns never complained (their cases were slim anyhow) it would have been rejected on transport alone. That is the right answer.

hahahahahahaha.....mate I,ll trust the communities secretary, John Denham who made the descions and published his report.

Good luck with the choo choos

 

[magicjuan]

This is not rail fantasy whatsoever - only the ignorant think that - that is not a sneer. I am no train enthusiast but I know what mass-transit rail can do for a city and stadia. All large successful cities have it. It is clear you know nothing of transport and environmental planning, etc. Try to learn a little. Common sense will tell you that if you get the fans en-mass to and from a stadium in comfort, and fast, from all over Merseyside and beyond they will turn up. It is simple logical business practice. That is why shops near transport arteries and interchanges do great business and those remote do not.

Mass transit rail is the answer to stadia success and hey presto Merseyside has one!!! with mothballed lines and tunnels ready to use. A pity EFC did not know that. It is called Merseyrail and it is the largest in the country after London and the second oldest underground network in the world. When buildings a new stadium it is totally and utterly foolish not to use this, as it promotes business. It is also environmentally beneficial and less nuisance to surrounding residents. Cars are taken off the roads reducing road clogging and vastly reduced emissions to boot. It all makes common sense. You have been given this link so please read and understand it.
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/watercity/Rapid-Transit-Football.html

Arsenal have not won anything for 8 years, yet their 60,000 stadium has been full for each match since opening. Ever wondered why they have this phenomenal stadium success? The 27 mass-transit rail platforms that surround the stadium is the prime reason why. Give them quality transport access and top quality stadium facilities and they turn up. It is no secret! Hence why West Ham will become a big club in 8 to 10 years time.

Everton FC screwed up on Kirkby because they never understood transport provision and the way society is viewing transport for the future - especially efficient rail. We are moving back to rail - HS2 etc, etc. The DfT has spent a fortune on Manchester's tram-train Metrolink and fortune on London's rail with £18bn on Crossrail alone - which will benefit West Ham no end. They have even built a new underground station between St. Pancras and Kings X.

The point is primarily what is beneficial to the city as whole not the two clubs and their narrow-minded selfish fans. When it is beneficial to the city it cascades to the two clubs as all meshes together. Having a remote top quality stadium with poor transport means poor business and hence poor revenue intake. It is not difficult to figure out. It is that simple.

BTW, I have been on about mass-transit access to the new stadium site and to the existing ground. So the stay a GP luddites can stop their stupid childish posts. Keeping the status quo means decline.

With all due respect, despite the clear fact it hasn't been earned, yours is a blinkered approach that hails from the actual bowels of the sub standard approach the club made during the DK debacle. You are fixated to the point that it would be no surprise if you actually have possession of a load of rolling stock you are looking to off load on the cheap. Champion bellendery of the highest level. Chin chin.

 

[Inner-city]

hahahahahahaha.....mate I,ll trust the communities secretary, John Denham who made the descions and published his report.

Good luck with the choo choos

Read what I wrote not what you think I wrote. You obviously want EFC to be in the Championship.

 

[Big Neville Southall]

LFC have it rolling, but EFC can gain by getting involved. However their desires are away from GP, so EFC are not bothered and would not contribute to any new station at Walton Lane.

Well at least it's rolling that's a start. Everton may contribute later on if see the plans are really coming on.

A move away from Goodison has the clock counting at 15 years and we're still no closer. The hidden cost of time eh.

 

[D410]

Read what I wrote not what you think I wrote. You obviously want EFC to be in the Championship.

I did, your wrong. Aside from that just how are the current owners of everton football club going to raise the funds required to fund a new stadia when they have publicly said they don,t have the money !

 

[Inner-city]

With all due respect, despite the clear fact it hasn't been earned, yours is a blinkered approach that hails from the actual bowels of the sub standard approach the club made during the DK debacle. You are fixated to the point that it would be no surprise if you actually have possession of a load of rolling stock you are looking to off load on the cheap. Champion bellendery of the highest level. Chin chin.

What has not been earned? A substandard approach is wanting to have mass-transit access to the club increasing its revenue streams and making life easier for the fans - and the city has a mass-transit network all over the city which can be used? Wow! what warped logic. It is clear you have no idea of transport planning with a mind fixated on the past. All the info is on this thread. Read and absorb. If you have read it then there is no hope for you. That is an impartial observation of your responses, not a sneer.

 

[Inner-city]

I did, your wrong. Aside from that just how are the current owners of everton football club going to raise the funds required to fund a new stadia when they have publicly said they don,t have the money !

You never understood what I wrote for sure. Again, "it would have been rejected on transport alone. That is the right answer".

Oh no not another one. A financial expert as well. Wow! They raise the funds the same way Cardiff, Swansea, MK Dons, Arsenal, Darlington, Leicester, Derby, Sunderland, Coventry, etc, etc, raised their capital for their stadia. They never had the lolly ready in their back pockets.