New manager

[Bluewolf]

I remember growing up in the 80s all I knew was the RS and us winning the lot. Street parties every single year for a cup final or a league title for either us or them lot - as a family, you always had a party at the end of the season to look forward for to or dread.

I don’t agree it started with Bally, I’d say the acceptance of the Heysel ban and Kendall leaving together with the PL starting in 92 - all in a short period of time ~5/6 years ruined the strategy for the club.

if say the new stadium offers us the best possibility of success since the 80s, maybe in 10/15 years once the money starts to cover the losses we have incurred for so long - that’s all on Kenwright. Just like soft lad is doing to UTD, never ever let a fan run a footy club.

Kenwright got on the everton board in 89.

Just saying...

 

[Billy Dean]

If you understood you would agree. I’m not saying that a foreign manager or player isn’t often the best option. I’m just saying that because something is unknown it doesn’t necessarily mean it is better than a known option. People on here (including myself) would have preferred Beto (unknown) over Chris Wood (known but previously thought to be limited) when we signed him. It’s just a form of bias that is important to acknowledge when making a decision.

It works both ways. Some have bias for what is known over what isn't.

 

[Simon Buttle]

If you understood you would agree. I’m not saying that a foreign manager or player isn’t often the best option. I’m just saying that because something is unknown it doesn’t necessarily mean it is better than a known option. People on here (including myself) would have preferred Beto (unknown) over Chris Wood (known but previously thought to be limited) when we signed him. It’s just a form of bias that is important to acknowledge when making a decision.

Yes and I do agree with that but in this case I don't think Moyes is the answer for us.

 

[jazzy]

Spot on Tom, the only thing I have against Moyes is he kept Kenwright in power, with being so astute in the transfer market. Without Moyes the fans would have turned on Bill a lot earlier.

That's a strange stick to beat Moyes with mate.

I guess the 2 are remotely linked but you are effectively criticizing Moyes for doing a cracking job.

Everyone remembers things differently.

We were in a terrible state when Moyes took over. He gave the team , structure , organisation and belief. He identified and signed some great players with virtually no budget . He did a great job.

However after a period of time his football became increasingly defensive and dour and by the end was definitely setting up the team not to lose rather than going for wins.

At Wham he proved that he's a defensive manager who plays percentage football - light years better than Dyche but cut from the same cloth.

Moyes would keep us up , I'm pretty sure about that but he wouldn't be the progressive manager that I think most of us yearn for.

 

[Toffeepot]

We see things differently.
11 years of dour , dithering Davey was enough for me.
He and Kenwright created the small club mentality that plagues us today.
He should have been dismissed after 5 seasons .
If the best the new owners could do is appoint this mediocre relic then they aren’t any better than those who preceded them.
Everton were a great club once , to even hope to recover a semblance of that status we need to take a risk and appoint bold, talented managers .
Tired of supporting a club that is ruled by fear , and Moyes is not for me .

It's time we took a risk and appointed someone talented but without PL experience.
These days it is a lot easier to research said manager too
New stadium new era

 

[phil_t98]

sky saying they expect something to happen within the next 24 hours

 

[Bristol Blue]

sky saying they expect something to happen within the next 24 hours

I wouldn’t take any notice of what Sky say…. they know less than the ipaper!

 

[Carlito]

That's a strange stick to beat Moyes with mate.

I guess the 2 are remotely linked but you are effectively criticizing Moyes for doing a cracking job.

Everyone remembers things differently.

We were in a terrible state when Moyes took over. He gave the team , structure , organisation and belief. He identified and signed some great players with virtually no budget . He did a great job.

However after a period of time his football became increasingly defensive and dour and by the end was definitely setting up the team not to lose rather than going for wins.

At Wham he proved that he's a defensive manager who plays percentage football - light years better than Dyche but cut from the same cloth.

Moyes would keep us up , I'm pretty sure about that but he wouldn't be the progressive manager that I think most of us yearn for.

It's definitely true that Moyes ran cover for Kenwright whenever the fans turned on the pressure.

He was very happy to be paid £10m and win Manager of the Year for finishing 7th with little Everton, and would have thought nothing of abandoning us to obscurity in Kirkby when the time was right.

Doesn't detract from the overall excellent job he did, but it still leaves a bitter tatse.

 

[Berlin Blue]

Ok, I see u are from Berlin, Hertha or Union supporter? He did impressive work there, but probably missing development of the playstyle and bad transfers like Gosens and Bonucci cost him the success. But I know they were top with long balls, had low possession, 2nd balls won, set pieces very good, very good defense.

Also, they outperformed every stat in the offensive area.

Hertha, unfortunately. So many similarities to Everton in the last 6/7 years, but at least we dodged the 777 bullet.

Yeah, exactly that really. His Union team that qualified for the Champions League had a lot similarities to the best seasons under Moyes or Forest this season. Counter attacking, but still attacked with purpose and happy to put in a shift to outwork their opponents.

 

[mahermi1]

That's a strange stick to beat Moyes with mate.

I guess the 2 are remotely linked but you are effectively criticizing Moyes for doing a cracking job.

Everyone remembers things differently.

We were in a terrible state when Moyes took over. He gave the team , structure , organisation and belief. He identified and signed some great players with virtually no budget . He did a great job.

However after a period of time his football became increasingly defensive and dour and by the end was definitely setting up the team not to lose rather than going for wins.

At Wham he proved that he's a defensive manager who plays percentage football - light years better than Dyche but cut from the same cloth.

Moyes would keep us up , I'm pretty sure about that but he wouldn't be the progressive manager that I think most of us yearn for.

I'm not criticising Moyes at all, he was a fine manager for us, sorry you took it that way, but without him Kenwright would have kicked out long before. That's not Moyes fault it's just fact. Did leave a bad taste the way he left and tried to buy a few of our players on the cheap like. Moyes worked wonders with the miserly funds available.

 

[matty1878]

It's definitely true that Moyes ran cover for Kenwright whenever the fans turned on the pressure.

He was very happy to be paid £10m and win Manager of the Year for finishing 7th with little Everton, and would have thought nothing of abandoning us to obscurity in Kirkby when the time was right.

Doesn't detract from the overall excellent job he did, but it still leaves a bitter tatse.

what’s a tatse mate i’m new to this

 

[Carlito]

what’s a tatse mate i’m new to this

Where were you before the editing option timed out, eh?

 

[brieverton]

sky saying they expect something to happen within the next 24 hours

Might tie in with the supposed arrival of Friedkin in town.

Whether it's actually him arriving or not, or a TFG delegation, then I'd assume he would want to speak personally with Dyche first and then with the chosen successor.

Someone else / the Exec Chair. could work in the background on finalizing an agreement with the new manager, before Friedkin meets them and seals it.

 

[Timbucktoo]

I'm not criticising Moyes at all, he was a fime manager for us, sorry you took it that way, but without him Kenwright would have kicked out long before. That's not Moyes fault it's just fact. Did leave a bad taste the way he left and tried to buy a few of our players on the cheap like. Moyes worked wonders with the miserly funds available.

I always felt that blue Bill sold him a dream in 2008 when he signed his new deal. He seemed to be holding out for assurances that he might get the backing to move the team into the top 4 and towards silverware. That season ended with 5th place and a cup final, and we all left for the summer thinking we would start the season with top 4 and cup run at home and in europe to look forward to.
We started August having brought no one in and with Lescott wanting a move to city, and got turned over at home on tv by Arsenal 1-6. Despite having another 4 years to run on his deal, I felt Moyes lost interest in trying to move us forward and just settled in going to a gunfight with a blunt rusty knife.
I`d have had more respect for him if he had of walked away sighting Bills refusal to get the funding for to move forward, rather than waiting till his deal was up and more or less taking the united job with us still with a couple of games to play.
Think he could do a job at getting us moving in the right direction from where we are now and don`t think he`d get an offer of a job at this level apart from us.

 

[Bluebonic]

Might tie in with the supposed arrival of Friedkin in town.

Whether it's actually him arriving or not, or a TFG delegation, then I'd assume he would want to speak personally with Dyche first and then with the chosen successor.

Someone else / the Exec Chair. could work in the background on finalizing an agreement with the new manager, before Friedkin meets them and seals it.

Big Dan firing ginger nuts later today….