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New round of covid boosters. Will you get yours?
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dholliday
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The vaccines aren't of the traditional dead/live virus-sample types, they are MRNA-type. So any side-effects won't be related to or be any indication of infection-symptoms of sars-cov-2...they'll be their own thing.
Nope. mRNA has our cells make a viral protein. Your immune response is to that viral protein…same protein or piece of protein that is on the surface of the virus
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Everyone I know, who felt crap after the vaccines, had it from the Omicron wave so were all pretty much ok with just cold like symptoms. Obviously that could be the vaccine doing it's work
My girlfriend had AZ for the first one and she felt ill for a while to the point where the docs made sure she had moderna for the next two, where it was just the 24 hour thing that most got
dholliday
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The spike-protein isn't the virus per se, it's the entry-point of the virus. The mRNA-vaccine is effectively against the entry-point, not against the virus cells itself (which is what traditional live/dead-virus vaccines do).
You've consistently experienced "terrible" (your words) side-effects from the jab. 5 times now you've experienced this. This indicates a consistent over-active immune response to what the jab is doing. This is unusual in many respects: not least getting a vaccine for one singular virus 5 times within 24 months...especially when your body appears to be trying to tell you that it's suffering after every time.
Anyone who's had Covid more than once often report the infections being quite different to each other, regardless of vaccination status. This is natural as coronaviri mutate, and they affect folk differently. Like common colds.
Your body's response to the vaccine is no indication of what your body's response would be to an infection, because with an infection it's not the spike-protein which does the damage (as it's merely an entry-point), it's the virus cells which do the damage...hence there being little actual evidence of vaccine-effectiveness as the mRNA-vaccine doesn't replicate an infection....it only replicates 'the door' to an infection.
Which would be great if it meant an infection then finding that 'door' closed. But as we know, replicating that 'door' via mRNA-vaccine still doesn't prevent the actual virus from getting in.
So if it doesn't do that, what does it do?
In one of the largest peer-reviewed studies of its kind: almost half-a-million subjects accounted for in a study determining the risk factor of Covid first-infection, and re-infection. As expected, for high-risk folk an infection increased the risk of premature death....and a re-infection further increased this risk.
So far, so grim. But we know this from other infectious diseases like the flu.
What's relevant for the multi-jabbers out there is the conclusion that "The risks were evident regardless of vaccination status".
There is no evidence that the side-effects from the mRNA-vaccines (spike-protein weighted) give any clue as to how the same individual may react to a sars-cov-2 infection (virus-cell weighted). On the contrary, there is evidence that vaccination makes little-to-no difference to infection-symptoms in the Omicron-era...this is also evidenced by the UK-government data I linked earlier, which told us the ratio of vaxxed/unvaxxed deaths/hospitalisations roughly corresponds with the ratio of vaxxed/unvaxxed adults.
Further: the vaccines may cause Long-Covid symptoms in some individuals. It goes without saying that the more one jabs, the higher the risk of this happening (especially if after each jab "terrible" side-effects are experienced).
Each to their own and all that...but in my view a sober reading of available data objectively makes an unconvincing case for healthy folk to repeat-jab.
That's definitely mansplaining.
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i might be a girl for all you know.
I've had loads of jabs. I'm covid-free and feel like a million bucks
Most studies seem to indicate that a 3 dose course is enough to prime your immune memory, to generate a T-Cell response after the initial antibody response has quietened down.
That, coupled with the fact that most people have now got some virus-acquired immunity, is likely enough for all but the most vulnerable.
Getting repeat boosters will give additional short term protection (very useful for the very vulnerable), but unless we get another mad mutation which evades our T-Cell response, it appears most non-vulnerable people will have a sufficient level of immunity.
That, coupled with the fact that most people have now got some virus-acquired immunity, is likely enough for all but the most vulnerable.
Getting repeat boosters will give additional short term protection (very useful for the very vulnerable), but unless we get another mad mutation which evades our T-Cell response, it appears most non-vulnerable people will have a sufficient level of immunity.
I've had the initial 2 + a booster. Whether they worked or not I've no idea, but the evidence is that virtually everyone has been infected by Omicron now which gives better protection than any jab. So no more for me. I'm an anti-social bugger anyway, which I find is an ideal way of avoiding infections.
I'm early 30s with no known underlying health issues so won't bother, for the same reason I didn't bother with the flu jab. I run a forum too so as you can imagine - I'm not very sociable mixing either... lol
As I get older I'll be asking for every booster going.
Felt I got a bit conned with the first covid jabs - protecting others etc.
As I get older I'll be asking for every booster going.
Felt I got a bit conned with the first covid jabs - protecting others etc.
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