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Newcastle Utd (and Viz)

ForeverBlue92 said:
Whats with the massive Kopite & Geordie love in?

Even before Rafael went to Newcastle they seem to have some weird hard on for each other.

Is it when Newcastle were supposedly Utd's rivals in the 90's like a common enemy type thing?
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It’s because Newcastle fans buzz off that 4-3 defeat that Sky have patented as the greatest game of the PL era, because it actually gets them talked about and makes them a little bit relevant in the media.
 
PhilM said:
This reported part of the deal is what confuses me the most: why do they need to borrow money from him if they're so wealthy? Does that not raise alarm bells?

If it's some form of tax issue or to negate potential concerns regarding their ownership, there must be other concerns regarding their proposed plans for the club.

I still severely doubt that the deal will actually ever happen, but if it does then there's lots of issues that suggest it isn't going to go the way their fans may want.

The probability of them coming in and spending big and progressing is very slim to none.
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The couple of Geordies I've spoken to, when I've asked this have just flounced off in a sulk. They are justifying the Staveley part on the basis of her role with City, which is fine though I don't think she kept a major shareholding in City for very long. Nor did they involved a 3rd party to own a fairly chunky part of the ownership. However there is a little precedent there.

The bit that is confusing is borrowing money from Mike Ashley. I mean they clearly have the money to buy Newcastle, and pay what he wants. And in truth, if you were going to look to make it a super club, and throw money at the project irrespective of the return you may or may not get, why would you be bothered about £60million pounds of difference? You'd just want to see the end of him.

It's not that they don't have the money. It's not that even with a downturn they may not be able to afford the liquidity. It's a choice. And as indicated above, it's a choice that doesn't sit logically with trying to do what Manchester City wanted to do.

The fact this has taken as long as it has, it's been on and off what, 3-4-5 times also suggests to me I don't think they are quite as committed as people say. Moshiri swooped and bought Everton almost the following day. Likewise at City it was all done very quickly. Abramovich looked at Chelea's ground and made his mind up. There was no prolonged negotiate or deep thought, as fundamentally I'm not sure it was just about an investment, or was about having a toy.

If you really wanted to turn Newcastle into a powerhouse, why wait months and years? You're just wasting time and allowing them to fall further behind. You've just lost Benitez, and they may have even been relegated this year. The loss of revenue is far greater than the £60millon.

My personal view looking at the information we have, is Staveley may know a rogue member, who may be interested (partly or fully) but certainly not the central decision makers. I suspect she will run the club. I also suspect the Reuben brothers may get the contracts for some of the redevelopments they have to do.

In the early phases there may be a little up front cash to spend but I suspect they will want to see a return.

I do not expect to see Bin Salman sitting at games (ah La Abramovich, Moshiri or the Sheikhs) as he won't have either the financially or spectator interest in the same way.

So it's a big wait and see for me. We were told Villa and Wolves were going to do this, and neither have. Lets see how this plays out. If they are going to do what people think they will, you will see it this summer or not at all.
 
ForeverBlue92 said:
Whats with the massive Kopite & Geordie love in?

Even before Rafael went to Newcastle they seem to have some weird hard on for each other.

Is it when Newcastle were supposedly Utd's rivals in the 90's like a common enemy type thing?
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Newcastle fans sing "feed the scouser" and lots of derogatory songs about the city of Liverpool. It annoys Everton fans. Liverpool supporters think it's all hilarious.
 
PhilM said:
This reported part of the deal is what confuses me the most: why do they need to borrow money from him if they're so wealthy? Does that not raise alarm bells?

If it's some form of tax issue or to negate potential concerns regarding their ownership, there must be other concerns regarding their proposed plans for the club.

I still severely doubt that the deal will actually ever happen, but if it does then there's lots of issues that suggest it isn't going to go the way their fans may want.

The probability of them coming in and spending big and progressing is very slim to none.
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Wouldn't surprise me if there's some kind of clause where he retains ownership if they do not make the payments
 

Newcastle ‘takeovers’ reminds me of the days we’d be continually linked with takeovers that just never happened. I even remember it being breaking news on Granada Reports and the BBC that we were in advanced talks with the Dubai Royal Family, think it was in 2008, and we denied it 10 minutes later lol
 
ForeverBlue92 said:
Whats with the massive Kopite & Geordie love in?

Even before Rafael went to Newcastle they seem to have some weird hard on for each other.

Is it when Newcastle were supposedly Utd's rivals in the 90's like a common enemy type thing?
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Keegan played for Liverpool and managed Newcastle.

Dalglish played for Liverpool and managed Newcastle.

Souness played for Liverpool and managed Newcastle.
 
GwladysBlue said:
Newcastle ‘takeovers’ reminds me of the days we’d be continually linked with takeovers that just never happened. I even remember it being breaking news on Granada Reports and the BBC that we were in advanced talks with the Dubai Royal Family, think it was in 2008, and we denied it 10 minutes later lol
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the QIA thread on Kipper.

I will hate our chairman for the whole QIA farce
 

jaycee said:
Some right oddballs in here,cracking one out over lard arse Rafael and the jawdee nation
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Except he won't have anything really?
There paying 150mill, he's loaning them 150mill....so untill they pay that back he's actually making zilch
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Indeed.. That's why he's a billionaire he knows nothing about finance and business at all. He did it all to walk away with nothing.
 
Even if this takeover does come off, what can they actually do that we aren’t already?

Bring in a top manager? We’ve brought in one of the best.

Redevelop the stadium? We’re committed to building one of the finest stadiums in Europe.

Invest heavily in players? We’ve done that, sadly to no avail but this was pre-Ancelotti.

Newcastle will always be a media darling because they have the type of fans that the media love - attention seeking bellends.

I laugh when the media says how loyal they are. What other choice have they really got? It’s either them or Sunderland up there.

We will be best them more times than they will ever best us.
 
GwladysBlue said:
Even if this takeover does come off, what can they actually do that we aren’t already?

Bring in a top manager? We’ve brought in one of the best.

Redevelop the stadium? We’re committed to building one of the finest stadiums in Europe.

Invest heavily in players? We’ve done that, sadly to no avail but this was pre-Ancelotti.

Newcastle will always be a media darling because they have the type of fans that the media love - attention seeking bellends.

I laugh when the media says how loyal they are. What other choice have they really got? It’s either them or Sunderland up there.

We will be best them more times than they will ever best us.
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They can overpay for players.
 

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