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Newcastle Utd (and Viz)

catcherintherye said:
Ok, we are part way through a season though aren't we? And given we are in the bottom half, it's likely that will, be the case, and as we head into the end point of the season in lots of ways it's harder to play sides struggling with relegation than those in the middle. We actually have few of the top sides, and few of the sides fighting for points.

However, rather than pontificate on form mid season, can you answer the question, how many of the top 6 teams based upon the last completed season have we got to play? Using league tables, especially when they are so close in points, (and sides are above us, essentially because they have played less top 6 sides than us) is an utterly idiotic way to define difficulty of fixtures.

Lets use the objectives measures I've outlined, and provide an answer rather than waffling on about irrelevance.
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"Part way" & "mid season"? We're more than 75% of the way through the season for the majority of teams.

"Few sides fighting for points"?

Liverpool
Spurs
Leicester
Wolves
Sheff U
Southampton
Villa
Bournemouth

Who of those do you think will be not fighting for the points?
 
LEONARD said:
See post and pic from Jaycee, 1,720.

:coffee:
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That's one knacker. Hardly the love in that's being thrown at Newcastle fans in general. In my experience, on the whole they're pretty reviled up here. The guff we see from ex-pros, the entitled fans, the whole lot.

Not sure why you'd think we like them as it's not been my experience at all.
 
catcherintherye said:
Maybe you can explain this to @PM123 who seems to struggle with the concept of a side over performing how their general play has been.
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Not at all, but after 29 games, you get a reasonable feel for where teams are. If a team has significantly under/over-performed at the end of a season against various metrics, do we move them up or down the league?

#alternativeleaguetables
 

The Fish said:
I've never fully understood that to be fair.

We're not half as deluded as we're made out to be, since Ashley's true nature was revealed we've "expected" midtable or, latterly, survival. Hardly ideas above our station.
We turn out in numbers home and away, and while that support is perhaps not unique, it's not [Poor language removed]. Especially as we've won nowt for over 60yrs
We're not glory supporters (what [Poor language removed] glory?)


Honestly? I think it's because we're in that bracket of clubs outside the elite but ahead of the majority of english league clubs, just like you lot are.


Wouldn't be surprised to see Staveley's share drop after the bid is finalised. She's a broker, not a financial powerhouse (although she may well be a billionaire after her case with Barclays is settled).
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catcherintherye said:
I agree with this. There's a lot of unusual things about it. Giving out value to 2 different parties. The time it's taken to do the idea (over years now). Haggling over 40 million quid and potentially putting Newcastle into the threat of relegation in the process etc.

This makes no sense if you are looking to copy City. It makes a lot of sense if you are looking to add something to a portfolio and have a tentative interest.

I mean is it typical for brokers to acquire 10% of a company they buy if you plan to radically overhaul, invest and improve the share price of said company?
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Typically a deal maker can ask for retainer / bonus etc etc AND/OR a % where 5% is considered high.

Im not familiar with the UK regulations but in Japan, Hong Kong and Singapore, where a regulator is involved (related to finance companies though im guessing this would be similarly as strict) then 10% means the due diligence becomes 'interesting'.

In HK for example theres a loophole which means there could be an owner who uses 2 companies holding under 33% in each...one under a nominee and not have the scrutiny if they had the largest % outright. E.g 33% + 27% another entity owned 40%.

As a general rule the minority shareholders would never choose or have 10%+ and then relinquish/lower this amount due to the extra due diligence involved.

So my take is that:

A: The Saudis will be having to do a lot of paperwork to pass due diligence as majority shareholder.

B: Staveley and Reubens at 10% each will have go through due diligence as theyre at that threshold.

If the idea was for Staveley or Reubens to go in at 10% and drop then this would be really bizarre to go through the extra due diligence.

The grey rules may be different in UK but in HK if you have 8% or less (9% is suspicious as close to 10%) then the due diligence is limited.

If its the same in the UK as finance companies in SG/HK/Japan then the deal seems totally bizarre.
 

Zatara said:
Typically a deal maker can ask for retainer / bonus etc etc AND/OR a % where 5% is considered high.

Im not familiar with the UK regulations but in Japan, Hong Kong and Singapore, where a regulator is involved (related to finance companies though im guessing this would be similarly as strict) then 10% means the due diligence becomes 'interesting'.

In HK for example theres a loophole which means there could be an owner who uses 2 companies holding under 33% in each...one under a nominee and not have the scrutiny if they had the largest % outright. E.g 33% + 27% another entity owned 40%.

As a general rule the minority shareholders would never choose or have 10%+ and then relinquish/lower this amount due to the extra due diligence involved.

So my take is that:

A: The Saudis will be having to do a lot of paperwork to pass due diligence as majority shareholder.

B: Staveley and Reubens at 10% each will have go through due diligence as theyre at that threshold.

If the idea was for Staveley or Reubens to go in at 10% and drop then this would be really bizarre to go through the extra due diligence.

The grey rules may be different in UK but in HK if you have 8% or less (9% is suspicious as close to 10%) then the due diligence is limited.

If its the same in the UK as finance companies in SG/HK/Japan then the deal seems totally bizarre.
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Who's doing the diligence?
 
PM123 said:
"Part way" & "mid season"? We're more than 75% of the way through the season for the majority of teams.

"Few sides fighting for points"?

Liverpool
Spurs
Leicester
Wolves
Sheff U
Southampton
Villa
Bournemouth

Who of those do you think will be not fighting for the points?
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Liverpool, Spurs, Leicester, Wolves, Sheffield United and Southampton will all not be fighting for either a title or relegation. A good time to play all of them really.

Why are you not answering the question, how many of the best 6 teams (as measured by a whole season, not part way through a season) have Evertom got to play? Come on, it's not a hard question to answer is it? Have the integrity to answer it.
 
PM123 said:
Not at all, but after 29 games, you get a reasonable feel for where teams are. If a team has significantly under/over-performed at the end of a season against various metrics, do we move them up or down the league?

#alternativeleaguetables
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And the Newcastle fan feels they are in a false position and are (his words) very lucky to be where they are. I'm inclined to believe him, and the data certainly backs it up.

They are safe this season now though. The point you missed, despite it being pointed out to you in quite a blunt way, was the comment related to the start of the season, where Newcastle were one of the favourites for relegation. (Though I accept, in your head, such a concept as a pre season prediction cant exist).
 

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