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Newcastle Utd (and Viz)


I don't want to be too melodramatic but oil has just collapsed. It will probably bounce back, but it's a major crisis. I mean dropping to 20 dollars a barrel was already the worst decline in a decade, and it's already going to as low as 2 dollars (and in some cases potentially negative). This could be both a major spanner in the works, and massively impact the spending potential.
 

To the Newcastles fans: I can understand you might be giddy right now after an eternity in the doldrums, and now the hope that better times are on the horizon. I will say to those fans that you should not get ahead of yourselves. The game has changed since Man City discovered oil. Doing a Man City is not really on the cards anymore for a club with money. Your new owner haggled for a long time with Ashley over 40 million quid. Our owner(s) dropped 30 million quid just like that to have first dibs on naming rights for the new stadium.

There will need to be a lot of work, clever choices and a bit of luck to get where you want to be, and that is with lots of cash injections. The theory of just buying success is now outdated. It doesn't work that way anymore.

Be careful what you wish for eh.
 

catcherintherye said:
Honestly, and I'm talking in terms of facilities here as well, St Mary's, Stadium of Light, Derby are all much better. In terms of atmosphere and traditions less so, but in just in terms of the facilities they are (from when I've been to them anyway). We have a similar problem with Goodison, great old ground with tradition, but ultimately not a patch on the newer stadiums that have been built.

As for the 2nd part, you will be surprised how pinikety the league are. I think you should be allowed to be sponsored for what you want, and should be allowed to spend what you like, but you would be amazed how snippy fans from United, Liverpool (particularly them), Arsenal etc will become. They will make it seem like you are equivalent of drugs cheats because you gain sponsorship (or course omitting the fact that they have been gaining the same unfair advantage for decades with massive sponsorships).
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Ah, see I'm talking about the bones of the place. It's a great stadium, which needs a face lift. Wouldn't take much to get it looking and feeling fresh.

Aye the whole "buying the league" thing that gets thrown about whenever a club flexes their new financial muscle is nothing new. It's been going for for decades, Liverpool did it, Blackburn did it, Man City, Chelsea, hell even Sunderland were called "The Bank of England club back in the 40s and 50s. I'm not going to worry about it.
dow1978 said:
That Newcastle side under Keegan were superb. Cant believe how poor they have been since.

Kinnear, Pardew.... hahahahaha
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We've seen some awful stuff. You can count the number of actually good managers on 1 hand. Keegan's football was thrilling, as was Robson's. Hughtons and Benitez' was less attacking but effective and realistic given what they had to play with. Pardew benefited from some outstanding players, but he's incompetent, deluded and if he was chocolate he'd eat himself.
 
The Fish said:
We've seen some awful stuff. You can count the number of actually good managers on 1 hand. Keegan's football was thrilling, as was Robson's. Hughtons and Benitez' was less attacking but effective and realistic given what they had to play with. Pardew benefited from some outstanding players, but he's incompetent, deluded and if he was chocolate he'd eat himself.
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Why does Bruce not get let off the hook like those two? He’s had a worse squad than Benitez and his style has been just as, if not more effective.
 
The Fish said:
Ah, see I'm talking about the bones of the place. It's a great stadium, which needs a face lift. Wouldn't take much to get it looking and feeling fresh.

Aye the whole "buying the league" thing that gets thrown about whenever a club flexes their new financial muscle is nothing new. It's been going for for decades, Liverpool did it, Blackburn did it, Man City, Chelsea, hell even Sunderland were called "The Bank of England club back in the 40s and 50s. I'm not going to worry about it.
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Yes I mean it's hard, as it has a lot of history. Goodson has a lot of history too, but it;s facilities are very dated.

Re buying the league, it's certainly not something I subscribe too, Everton and Liverpool benefitted massively from John Houldings wealth initially. They then benefited (more Everton) from the Moores wealth. In between that there have been, as you say all sorts of clubs with lots of money. I'm not sure how anyone can begrudge anyone else.

I am not making a philosophical point to you though. It's not an issue of fans making barbed jibes (mainly from supporters of clubs who have spent more than most teams for years and don't like a taste of their own medicine) but a practical reality. The owners of these clubs are incredibly petty. They will make it bureaucratically difficult for you, especially as they will see it as City 2.0. I'm not saying you won't overcome this, I tend to subscribe to the view you can't halt progress, but it will delay things. Some of that will be preventing massive sponsorships of the stadium (qualitatively more than you have spent) and if you try it imposing transfer bans.

I should make clear, this isn't what I would do, but it's what they will do. I said to a Newcastle fan the other day who was goading me a bit, it doesn't worry me either way. Partly because I don't tend to get overly worried about such things, but also because I worry about Everton-we have a very wealthy owner who's willing to give us money to spend, so thats my main concern, not what others will do. But also practically I don't see this massively affecting Everton either way.

It goes two ways the takeover broadly. It's either not as we anticipate, in which case you are starting from a much lower base than we are currently (jin terms of squad quality, European recognition etc) and if we keep moving forward we will keep our distance from you. Or option 2 it does go as some suggest, and you become the new City/Chelsea and drop billions on transfers over coming years. In which case, we won't be shopping in the same pool for the most part. You will be targeting the top teams targets, and unsettling their players.

And thats the crux with this, if it's option 2 we end up at, they are going to become very resentful very quickly. Like in all seriousness, Liverpool don't pay players the going rate of what they could earn. If your view was "to hell with the consequences" you could go and offer VVD £500k per week and he would be tempted. It's a bit of a nightmare for their model, which relies on some degree of common sense, and inflation being kept under control.

There may be a bit of competition over lads like Coutinho this summer, but I sense we will nip in firstly as we are in a better position. By next summer I suspect we will be in different spheres, one way or another.

There's a bit of dislike for Newcastle currently, but honestly if you started disrupting Liverpool and to a degree Manchester United, and stopped them winning trophies, that feeling would change quite quickly!
 

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