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Newcastle Utd (and Viz)

While I remain unconvinced we will see them ‘do a man city’ it will be interesting if they are going to spend loads and how they get that cash into the club. If indeed they end up with outrageous sponsorship deals etc it may well be beneficial to us, esp if it open the floodgates to greater USM linked business sponsorships. If the ambiguous ‘market rate’ for sponsorships gets abused and the EPL are unable to challenge it, it may open the doors to the USM Stadium for £500m over 10 years etc.
I recall City’s £400m deal with ETIHAD got them in a bit of bother but I’m not sure if that’s all been brushed under the carpet or is still under review / appeal.
 
NilSatisOptimum said:
Would not know to be honest, but the writing has been on the wall for this kind of thing and closer relationship with others and such regimes are in the mix since we excited that Union thing. Less streams is good for £s. Will of the people...
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It seems to be the case. The Athletic did an article about how it was a key hurdle.

The Saudi's cut ties with the Qatari's (exports, imports the club) 4 years ago, which included broadcasts from Qatar. But because football is a still huge over there...the Saudi's illegally streamed the football in Saudi "officially" (invested in actually pirating the transmission) and set up a TV station called beoutQ.

So of course the EPL ain't happy with that. Saudi's go away, sort that out...come back saying they've lifted the 4 year ban so you can now show football legally again. EPL rubs hands...sees a new TV deal on the horizon.
 
bluestevon said:
They'll need to spend every penny they're allowed too and spend it well to reach the level of a "safe" from relegation team each season, at that point yup they'd be in the position to kick on and really go for it, but by that point FPP will kick in as they'll be at the limit.

They can either go and try grab all the best younger players building fir a longer term project or overpay for flavours of the month and once big name players which the latter will wreck any chance of them doing anything - wages will hamper them due to fpp etc
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The thing is with them, and we found this too, is that the "top young players" are just going to have no interest in going there. Malaga were owned by a Sheikh for a bit, and Malaga is sunny, warm and are a bigger club than Newcastle, and they couldn't attract said players. Newcastle have no name recognition, they've not won a league in almost any living person's lifetime, and have not played in Europe in most of the players living lifetime. There is just no way they will attract players, who want to win things over the next 3-4 years. They don't have the stadium, name, training facilities, tradition etc to attract such players.

People talk about Chelsea, but Chelsea were a top 6 team when taken over, and had been regularly trophy winners and title challengers. So it was easier for them to go and get those top players. It didn't seem such a big jump. City was slightly different granted, but they were still top half and pumped a fair bit in in the previous couple of seasons. They were probably where we are now, and so the jump was more doable. Newcastle are perennial relegation fodder. They have a long way to jump back.

If the plan is top young players, they are going to really struggle to execute that game plan.
 
catcherintherye said:
The thing is with them, and we found this too, is that the "top young players" are just going to have no interest in going there. Malaga were owned by a Sheikh for a bit, and Malaga is sunny, warm and are a bigger club than Newcastle, and they couldn't attract said players. Newcastle have no name recognition, they've not won a league in almost any living person's lifetime, and have not played in Europe in most of the players living lifetime. There is just no way they will attract players, who want to win things over the next 3-4 years. They don't have the stadium, name, training facilities, tradition etc to attract such players.

People talk about Chelsea, but Chelsea were a top 6 team when taken over, and had been regularly trophy winners and title challengers. So it was easier for them to go and get those top players. It didn't seem such a big jump. City was slightly different granted, but they were still top half and pumped a fair bit in in the previous couple of seasons. They were probably where we are now, and so the jump was more doable. Newcastle are perennial relegation fodder. They have a long way to jump back.

If the plan is top young players, they are going to really struggle to execute that game plan.
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Not going to go into pure detail but two things.
1 - Newcastle is a far bigger club than Malaga.
2 - Malaga’s sheikh wouldn’t have been willing to drop 3-400k a week on players the way these will in the future.

PIF is worth a rumoured 700b. Of course people will go there if the money is right.
 

catcherintherye said:
The thing is with them, and we found this too, is that the "top young players" are just going to have no interest in going there. Malaga were owned by a Sheikh for a bit, and Malaga is sunny, warm and are a bigger club than Newcastle, and they couldn't attract said players. Newcastle have no name recognition, they've not won a league in almost any living person's lifetime, and have not played in Europe in most of the players living lifetime. There is just no way they will attract players, who want to win things over the next 3-4 years. They don't have the stadium, name, training facilities, tradition etc to attract such players.

People talk about Chelsea, but Chelsea were a top 6 team when taken over, and had been regularly trophy winners and title challengers. So it was easier for them to go and get those top players. It didn't seem such a big jump. City was slightly different granted, but they were still top half and pumped a fair bit in in the previous couple of seasons. They were probably where we are now, and so the jump was more doable. Newcastle are perennial relegation fodder. They have a long way to jump back.

If the plan is top young players, they are going to really struggle to execute that game plan.
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Both city and Chelsea pre massive takeover had had previous takeovers I believe too which had seen a previous owner already throw a bucket load of cash at the team
 
catcherintherye said:
The thing is with them, and we found this too, is that the "top young players" are just going to have no interest in going there. Malaga were owned by a Sheikh for a bit, and Malaga is sunny, warm and are a bigger club than Newcastle, and they couldn't attract said players. Newcastle have no name recognition, they've not won a league in almost any living person's lifetime, and have not played in Europe in most of the players living lifetime. There is just no way they will attract players, who want to win things over the next 3-4 years. They don't have the stadium, name, training facilities, tradition etc to attract such players.

People talk about Chelsea, but Chelsea were a top 6 team when taken over, and had been regularly trophy winners and title challengers. So it was easier for them to go and get those top players. It didn't seem such a big jump. City was slightly different granted, but they were still top half and pumped a fair bit in in the previous couple of seasons. They were probably where we are now, and so the jump was more doable. Newcastle are perennial relegation fodder. They have a long way to jump back.

If the plan is top young players, they are going to really struggle to execute that game plan.
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Erm Malaga signed Isco, Joaquin, Santi Cazorla, Toulalan, Julio Baptista, Camacho, Rondon etc. and qualified for the CL.

I don’t think that example really works.
 
Foreign fancy dans in Newcastle. That won't end well. Mirandinho, Asprilla, Joelinton..

Have you spent any time up there in winter? Makes Liverpool feel like the Caribbean. I can't wait to see how many mercenary players not currently on CL wages will rock up and take the petrodollars.. at least we'll have 4-5 years of laughing at them struggling to get it right.
 
wainy said:
Not going to go into pure detail but two things.
1 - Newcastle is a far bigger club than Malaga.
2 - Malaga’s sheikh wouldn’t have been willing to drop 3-400k a week on players the way these will in the future.

PIF is worth a rumoured 700b. Of course people will go there if the money is right.
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Malaga are a bigger club than Newcastle.

And on the 2nd, PIF have an entire investment fund of 250bn. That is for the entire countries investment fund. Let's assume they allocate 1% of that for Newcastle (not an unreasonable number) that gives them around 2bn to invest after initial purchase. I mean it's sizeable sure, but it's not off the scale, and relative to monies paid at a given time not so different to Malaga. And this is very much "best case scenario".

FFP regs will prevent them paying 3-400k. But yes, if they offered 300k p/w for Alex Iwobi he will go there. Mbappe will just go to Real Madrid for that money though. They will probably have to pay 300k p/w for a player that would otherwise get 100k.
 

Bedfordblue said:
While I remain unconvinced we will see them ‘do a man city’ it will be interesting if they are going to spend loads and how they get that cash into the club. If indeed they end up with outrageous sponsorship deals etc it may well be beneficial to us, esp if it open the floodgates to greater USM linked business sponsorships. If the ambiguous ‘market rate’ for sponsorships gets abused and the EPL are unable to challenge it, it may open the doors to the USM Stadium for £500m over 10 years etc.
I recall City’s £400m deal with ETIHAD got them in a bit of bother but I’m not sure if that’s all been brushed under the carpet or is still under review / appeal.
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I think we are about to discover the difference between an owner determined to spend money, and one who doesn't mind spending money. We are the latter, they are the former.
 
bluestevon said:
Both city and Chelsea pre massive takeover had had previous takeovers I believe too which had seen a previous owner already throw a bucket load of cash at the team
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Yes they had not been run into the ground.

One thing that got me with this, was apparently Wilson and Fraser were on the list of signings and were signed thinking the takeover was coming. That doesn't really stack up.
 
Nymzee said:
That doesn’t mean they didn’t/couldn’t attract them after their takeover. They got banned from Europe for debts so everyone left.
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Isco left well before that.

But fair enough point. They attracted some good players. But I'm not sure any were "top" young players. We may be splitting hairs. Malaga were also close to Europe and play in a sunny part of the world, and signed mainly Spanish players. I'm not sure top young players from abroad will be moving from abroad to play for them and elite talent here. Like I just can't see Arnold going there or whatever.
 
catcherintherye said:
Isco left well before that.

But fair enough point. They attracted some good players. But I'm not sure any were "top" young players. We may be splitting hairs. Malaga were also close to Europe and play in a sunny part of the world, and signed mainly Spanish players. I'm not sure top young players from abroad will be moving from abroad to play for them and elite talent here. Like I just can't see Arnold going there or whatever.
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Yeh I think Newcastle will struggle there, wasn’t disagreeing sure that part just the Malaga bit. I said a couple of days ago that all clubs are rich and offer obscene wages now so they’ll need to pay way over the top whilst they can’t offer Europe.
 

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