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Newcastle Utd (and Viz)

GwladysBlue said:
We’ve also been there, see Sigurdsson, Klassen, Iwobi, Bolasie, etc the list is endless.
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Yes. The difference between the 2 sides I suppose, is we had a decent squad with assets on takeover which saw us through. Barkley, Lukaku, Barry, Jagielka, Baines, Coleman, Davies, Calvert Lewin etc have been the key players who've covered for some abject recruitment.

They have a squad that is relegation fodder. Benitez has bought terribly and Bruce has performed a miracle to keep them out of the drop zone.

I can assure you, if they get relegated, the Saudi's will be demanding their money back very very quickly.
 
PhilM said:
This reported part of the deal is what confuses me the most: why do they need to borrow money from him if they're so wealthy? Does that not raise alarm bells?

If it's some form of tax issue or to negate potential concerns regarding their ownership, there must be other concerns regarding their proposed plans for the club.

I still severely doubt that the deal will actually ever happen, but if it does then there's lots of issues that suggest it isn't going to go the way their fans may want.

The probability of them coming in and spending big and progressing is very slim to none.
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I think this is due due to tax reasons. If he gets that amount as a loan repayment it doesn't attract Capital Gains Tax.
 
jayonenote said:
Except he won't have anything really?
There paying 150mill, he's loaning them 150mill....so untill they pay that back he's actually making zilch
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Surely he'll be getting paid a lot of interest on that 150 million. The deal is done, and perhaps Staveley's finances aren't all aligned due to the current financial situation due to Covid-19. He sells the club, and has the collateral in the loan to make sure he is paid, and the longer he isn't the more cream he gets from the loan. If Staveley is confident she can wrangle the cash, it might be better to get it bought and pay back later, or even use her own cash to make more returns than paying the loan off would make,.

Or it could all be a sham like the last how many ever it is takeovers up there.
 

Yarrgh said:
Surely he'll be getting paid a lot of interest on that 150 million. The deal is done, and perhaps Staveley's finances aren't all aligned due to the current financial situation due to Covid-19. He sells the club, and has the collateral in the loan to make sure he is paid, and the longer he isn't the more cream he gets from the loan. If Staveley is confident she can wrangle the cash, it might be better to get it bought and pay back later, or even use her own cash to make more returns than paying the loan off would make,.

Or it could all be a sham like the last how many ever it is takeovers up there.
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The way I understand it, and I might be wrong, the loan isn't from Ashley it's from the club (SJHL) and it's a clean way to transfer the shares of the club to the new owners. If the deal goes through, those shares will be bought by the three parts of the consortium (PCP, Rueben Bros, PIF) and the loan is repaid.

There's some in Newcastle who're getting carried away and thinking we're going to sign elite players, but the reality is that we aren't allowed to increase our wage bill by that much under current FFP rules. I think it's 10% a season and given we've one of the lower wage bills in the Premier League, it's way more likely that it will be an incremental improvement. To be honest having a striker who isn't either a) a knackered fairground pony, b) a reliable Championship striker or c) whatever the [Poor language removed] Joelinton is supposed to be, would be a massive increment.

I'm genuinely excited about the work done away from the squad and manager. I'm hoping we see improvements to thefacilities and surrounding area akin to the work done for Manchester City by the Qataris. As has been said in this thread St James' park is in dire need of modernising, some easy fixes like a paint job, fixing the bogs and tearing down the Sports Direct [Poor language removed] would be a good start. Having a Hydrotherapy facility that isn't a paddling pool and two wheelie bins filled with ice, would be an improvement.

Re: the Sports washing side of things. I think the majority of fans celebrating the news would, if asked, would criticise the Saudi regime. But as football fans we're powerless to police the global political arena outside of general elections. That’s a journalist's job and the job of those in actual power. If the FA state that the new owners aren’t permitted, then that’s that. But they won’t. So journalists should ask them why, and not ask it of Billy from Byker who couldn't pick out Saudi Arabia on a map.
 
The Fish said:
The way I understand it, and I might be wrong, the loan isn't from Ashley it's from the club (SJHL) and it's a clean way to transfer the shares of the club to the new owners. If the deal goes through, those shares will be bought by the three parts of the consortium (PCP, Rueben Bros, PIF) and the loan is repaid.

There's some in Newcastle who're getting carried away and thinking we're going to sign elite players, but the reality is that we aren't allowed to increase our wage bill by that much under current FFP rules. I think it's 10% a season and given we've one of the lower wage bills in the Premier League, it's way more likely that it will be an incremental improvement. To be honest having a striker who isn't either a) a knackered fairground pony, b) a reliable Championship striker or c) whatever the [Poor language removed] Joelinton is supposed to be, would be a massive increment.

I'm genuinely excited about the work done away from the squad and manager. I'm hoping we see improvements to thefacilities and surrounding area akin to the work done for Manchester City by the Qataris. As has been said in this thread St James' park is in dire need of modernising, some easy fixes like a paint job, fixing the bogs and tearing down the Sports Direct [Poor language removed] would be a good start. Having a Hydrotherapy facility that isn't a paddling pool and two wheelie bins filled with ice, would be an improvement.

Re: the Sports washing side of things. I think the majority of fans celebrating the news would, if asked, would criticise the Saudi regime. But as football fans we're powerless to police the global political arena outside of general elections. That’s a journalist's job and the job of those in actual power. If the FA state that the new owners aren’t permitted, then that’s that. But they won’t. So journalists should ask them why, and not ask it of Billy from Byker who couldn't pick out Saudi Arabia on a map.
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Well as I guess you're a Newcastle fan, you've probably given this far more scrutiny than everyone in this thread.

Also seems a lot more measured view to what will occur if/ when the takeover completes.

We shall see what we shall see. Unless City and UEFA batter each other senseless and leave FFP in tatters, I don't see anyone coming out of nowhere over this without a lot of short to medium time frustration as seasons pass by like at Everton.
 
The Fish said:
The way I understand it, and I might be wrong, the loan isn't from Ashley it's from the club (SJHL) and it's a clean way to transfer the shares of the club to the new owners. If the deal goes through, those shares will be bought by the three parts of the consortium (PCP, Rueben Bros, PIF) and the loan is repaid.

There's some in Newcastle who're getting carried away and thinking we're going to sign elite players, but the reality is that we aren't allowed to increase our wage bill by that much under current FFP rules. I think it's 10% a season and given we've one of the lower wage bills in the Premier League, it's way more likely that it will be an incremental improvement. To be honest having a striker who isn't either a) a knackered fairground pony, b) a reliable Championship striker or c) whatever the [Poor language removed] Joelinton is supposed to be, would be a massive increment.

I'm genuinely excited about the work done away from the squad and manager. I'm hoping we see improvements to thefacilities and surrounding area akin to the work done for Manchester City by the Qataris. As has been said in this thread St James' park is in dire need of modernising, some easy fixes like a paint job, fixing the bogs and tearing down the Sports Direct [Poor language removed] would be a good start. Having a Hydrotherapy facility that isn't a paddling pool and two wheelie bins filled with ice, would be an improvement.

Re: the Sports washing side of things. I think the majority of fans celebrating the news would, if asked, would criticise the Saudi regime. But as football fans we're powerless to police the global political arena outside of general elections. That’s a journalist's job and the job of those in actual power. If the FA state that the new owners aren’t permitted, then that’s that. But they won’t. So journalists should ask them why, and not ask it of Billy from Byker who couldn't pick out Saudi Arabia on a map.
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Yarrgh said:
Well as I guess you're a Newcastle fan, you've probably given this far more scrutiny than everyone in this thread.

Also seems a lot more measured view to what will occur if/ when the takeover completes.

We shall see what we shall see. Unless City and UEFA batter each other senseless and leave FFP in tatters, I don't see anyone coming out of nowhere over this without a lot of short to medium time frustration as seasons pass by like at Everton.
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There's no way Newcastle United will be anywhere near challenging for some time yet. We're light years behind the top clubs in most areas. Average squad, prehistoric manager, no-mark coaches, piss poor training ground, underfunded academy. No elite player would choose a fat contract at Newcastle over a fat contract at Spurs, Arsenal, Wolves, Everton, Leicester unless there's significant improvement around the rest of the club too.

I'm honestly hoping for a similar early trajectory to Man City; comfortable midtable for a couple of seasons with focus on the cups, then pushing for European spots.
 

GwladysBlue said:
Even if this takeover does come off, what can they actually do that we aren’t already?

Bring in a top manager? We’ve brought in one of the best.

Redevelop the stadium? We’re committed to building one of the finest stadiums in Europe.

Invest heavily in players? We’ve done that, sadly to no avail but this was pre-Ancelotti.

Newcastle will always be a media darling because they have the type of fans that the media love - attention seeking bellends.

I laugh when the media says how loyal they are. What other choice have they really got? It’s either them or Sunderland up there.

We will be best them more times than they will ever best us.
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Their loyalty is basically that of an abused spouse.
 
PM123 said:
You do realise that Newcastle are 8 points above relegation & also 8 points behind Wolves? Hardly likely to be relegated, unless you think Everton (2 points ahead of Newcastle) are likely to be relegated?
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Hello Big Red. How do you feel about the fact Steve Bruce is doing a better job than Rafael Benitez?
 
You could invest 800 billion into these beaut's, and you will still see this for years to come.

They are 7-0 down to the RS at Analfield, and by some miracle they scramble a goal in the 97th minute.

Cue their replica shirt wearing mutants, celebrating like they have won the Premiership.

A truly massive club (in Newcastle).

:coffee: Apologies Fish, but after the RS, Newcastle are the most despised club-fan base on here.
 

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