Next Everton Manager

Manager?

  • Rhino

    Votes: 85 8.7%
  • Tuchel

    Votes: 168 17.2%
  • Simeone

    Votes: 259 26.6%
  • Dyche

    Votes: 59 6.1%
  • Allardyce

    Votes: 91 9.3%
  • Silva

    Votes: 283 29.0%
  • Hiddink

    Votes: 30 3.1%

  • Total voters
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I'm no Moshiri fan but we have to cut him a bit of slack here. We are in an incredibly delicate position. Two more wins will see us comfortably mid table , two more losses rooted to the bottom. So not yet at the point where we have to hold our nose and plump for Allardyce, and not wanting to give a so so manager like Dyche a three year deal.
Wait and see seems a reasonable approach at the mo
 

Sounding out possible successors is part of the business.

They could have acted quicker to line up a replacement for Unsworth, granted, but we're not in a position to be attracting whoever we choose and getting the right guy is likely to be harder for us than it is for the likes of Chelsea, Man City, etc, who have the best managers in the world queuing up to take over.
 
How long do you think it takes for a successor to be planned for?

My point is that if these divvies had started to prepare for a successor to Koeman a month before he was sacked they'd now have had 7 weeks to get one in who was well researched.

FFS., there's class managers out there and available.
My point exactly. People saying its only been a fortnight etc. talking out of their hoops.
There again am I giving the board too much credit in thinking they had a contingency plan if cheese head turned out to be a dud.
 
Also agree 100%. We cannot attract ‘A’ grade candidates but the club should have been maintaining a watchful eye on those on the next tier down.

They are usually younger managers and someone in that category always has the potential to become great. Why not start or continue that journey with us?

It just seems the club were totally unprepared again and have no succession strategy other than a list of mostly uninspirational and/or tired names.

I think and can't prove this, but just my gut feeling, a lot of delay and confusion is caused by having 3 seperate voices all with a difference of opinion - and quite possibly a different idea of what we should be aiming for

Kenwright - happy with the status quo, happy to stay safe and in house - for someone who won't rock the boat - tv money keeps rolling in, we keep getting those 'plaudits' in the press about punching above our weight and pundits keep banging on how lucky we are to have him in charge - it feeds his ego, it keeps expectations down and by and large it feeds his ego.

Walsh - covering his arse atm - knows he's f'd up big time and is on thin ice so is in self preservation mode to save his own neck, and thats his priority - hence allrdyce etc beign preferred choices by him - with Shakespeare etc, all about surrounding himself with support and insulating himself, that comes before anything about what he sees for the clubs direction - which is ultimately gonna be a disaster if he had the way

Moshiri - very ambitious, wants to make a statement and get the best he can do as manager and wants the club to push on, but of the three he has by a way the least knowledge about football and is at best naive, and because of that unsure ground he is on - he has to listen to those who know the game better, and it is tempering what he wants to do due to uncertainty.

All three have to have a say, because moshiri has made one the dof and kept the other in position as chairman, so thats further dragging out the process as each man has to be shown to have his choice/s taken seriously and put through the process...
 
They could have acted quicker to line up a replacement for Unsworth, granted, but we're not in a position to be attracting whoever we choose and getting the right guy is likely to be harder for us than it is for the likes of Chelsea, Man City, etc, who have the best managers in the world queuing up to take over.
Then on the back of the Watford win they should have ended all debate and stated that Unsworth continues to be the caretaker manager and there will be no concerted search for a permanent successor to Koeman.
 

My point exactly. People saying its only been a fortnight etc. talking out of their hoops.
There again am I giving the board too much credit in thinking they had a contingency plan if cheese head turned out to be a dud.
I did too. Bringing the axe down that early surely pointed to a replacement in the pipeline. They didn't have one.

No top club acts that way.
 
The ONLY thing that could 'save' this whole "saga" is going after a complete class manager who is waffling. If someone like Fat Sam is appointed, serious questions should be asked about the wait. Even Dyche should have been wrapped up weeks ago.
 
How long do you think it takes for a successor to be planned for?

My point is that if these divvies had started to prepare for a successor to Koeman a month before he was sacked they'd now have had 7 weeks to get one in who was well researched.

FFS., there's class managers out there and available.
If we draw a parallel between business and football as has been done previously, it can take years to find a successor.

Let's look at Man Utd as an example... Knew Ferguson was coming to an end and courted Moyes (didn't go well), it'll be interesting to see how Arsenal do appointing a successor to Wenger.

Back on Everton, the model has failed with Koeman, Walsh and the board (again a point you labour). I would expect a review to take place and lessons to be learned before appointing, to look at the underlying reasons why things didn't work (beyond 'he's crap, Walsh is crap, he's a fraud, there's no money and all the other usual fan driven rhetoric)... Then appoint with a manager that fits and a system that will support them.

That is what good business does.
 

Yep.

I dont like that extra layer of bureaucracy at a club because it just leads to finger pointing and no one taking responsibility, but if you go down that DoF route you have to makes sure the person hired has the skills and the scope to carry out the overseeing of all aspects of the first team apart from coaching.

Steve Walsh either isn't up to that or Moshiri is a backseat driver.

I think you are right to say "another layer of bureaucracy". I understand people's anger at Walsh but there are bits of it I don't get. I was listening to EBM and Roger was saying how we all thought Walsh would come to the club and revatalise it top to bottom and put structures join place etc. I have no idea what could have given anyone this idea, looking at Walsh's background, previous roles and how he embarked on this job very early on. He is not a DOF, certainly not in the sense of what people are looking for him to be.

It's not all his fault, there is meddling at every level. Moshiri is seemingly poking his nose in on an as and when basis, either throwing out links to Koulibaly or Witsel last summer Costa/Cavani this summer or now dropping Simeone in via Jim White. You then have Elstone and Kenwright of the "old guard"who both in their own way operate as DOF types, closing negotiations and penny pinching over fees. Last summer you also had a headstrong manager who had 2 players in mind (Klaasen & Sigurdsson) he wouldn't budge on in areas of the pitch we already had cover (much like you said re Schneiderlin). It is not unreasonable to say Walsh had very little chance, with all that going on of making a success of being a DOF.

That being said, it doesn't say a lot for the guy that he is melting into the background, accepting the status quo and seemingly backing Allardyce. After his first summer any DOF worth is salt would have marched into Moshiri's office and demanded full control, probably with Elstone gone altogether. We got away with that debacle of not adding anyone on deadline day. The fact he's allowed it to go on for a second summer, and not really made any play to try and rectify the situation says an awful lot. If we employed Zorc from Dortmund (A proper DOF) he would not accept the status quo, and he likely go the way of Trevor Birch all those years ago.

I suppose thats why the book ultimately stops with Moshiri. He's agreed to things he should never have agreed too re the old guard and in truth he's probably gone over and above what he contractually had too in putting Elstone onto the board. It teaches everyone, don't rock the boat, blend into the surrounding and enjoy a cushy little job. I have no problems with statements about Simeone but real ambition would be sorting out the board and getting people onto it who can deliver.

As for Walsh, for me he's not a director of football, but I'd happily keep him on as head scout. In amongst the mess of the last 18 months, the few positive things that have emerged have largely been of his doing (signings such as Gueye, Lookman, Vlasic and the attempted signing of Demurai Gray).
 
Yep.

I dont like that extra layer of bureaucracy at a club because it just leads to finger pointing and no one taking responsibility, but if you go down that DoF route you have to makes sure the person hired has the skills and the scope to carry out the overseeing of all aspects of the first team apart from coaching.

Steve Walsh either isn't up to that or Moshiri is a backseat driver.
You have no idea what Steve Walsh's remit is at the club. It leads to finger pointing by people that want to decide what they think he should be doing but don't actually know.

However; if it is to find players for the first team it's not been great, if it is to direct football operations and future plan it's been suspect, if it's to bring in youth players he's been relatively successful...
 
I think and can't prove this, but just my gut feeling, a lot of delay and confusion is caused by having 3 seperate voices all with a difference of opinion - and quite possibly a different idea of what we should be aiming for

Kenwright - happy with the status quo, happy to stay safe and in house - for someone who won't rock the boat - tv money keeps rolling in, we keep getting those 'plaudits' in the press about punching above our weight and pundits keep banging on how lucky we are to have him in charge - it feeds his ego, it keeps expectations down and by and large it feeds his ego.

Walsh - covering his arse atm - knows he's f'd up big time and is on thin ice so is in self preservation mode to save his own neck, and thats his priority - hence allrdyce etc beign preferred choices by him - with Shakespeare etc, all about surrounding himself with support and insulating himself, that comes before anything about what he sees for the clubs direction - which is ultimately gonna be a disaster if he had the way

Moshiri - very ambitious, wants to make a statement and get the best he can do as manager and wants the club to push on, but of the three he has by a way the least knowledge about football and is at best naive, and because of that unsure ground he is on - he has to listen to those who know the game better, and it is tempering what he wants to do due to uncertainty.

All three have to have a say, because moshiri has made one the dof and kept the other in position as chairman, so thats further dragging out the process as each man has to be shown to have his choice/s taken seriously and put through the process...

This is a really important point. I don't know if you listened to the last EBM, but they were asked "who will decide Everton's next manager". The 3 of them each gave different answers. I am not having a go at them, they all presented their case very well. It was the perfect illustration of what is wrong currently at board level, in that there is no accountability or transparency as to how decisions are being reached. To quote Nick Clegg we are left with continual "grubby little compromise(s)".

I suspect nobody is currently willing to sign off on any of the candidates that at present they could attract, largely because they re underwhelming. Without doubt Kenwright compromised on Koeman, but thats a lot easier than some of the other names being thrown about.

You can't expect a football club or any business to be successful on this basis or not as successful as it could be. I have no idea why Moshiri is keeping the status quo as it is. Forget going after Simeone, or even forget the potential multi-billions who could invest in Everton, his most urgent task has to be to get his own people on the board and begin to get some transparency of decisions.
 
Then on the back of the Watford win they should have ended all debate and stated that Unsworth continues to be the caretaker manager and there will be no concerted search for a permanent successor to Koeman.
Or...maybe said, Unsworth will continue as caretaker manager and we will continue to look for the right successor to Koeman.
 

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