Next Everton Manager

[Joey66]

mirrallas and snides have already downed tools.

who next?

Good as we wont miss them!

 

[catcherintherye]

Remember the DoF we supposedly wanted badly but he didn't want to leave Sevilla etc, same bloke took over Roma last April as DoF, this is what he said shortly after arriving

Roma “are very clear” on their choice of Coach. “He conveys the club’s values and is a winner,” said sporting director Monchi, hinting at Eusebio Di Francesco.

“We’re still working on it, though we’ve come a long way. Our priority was for Luciano to stay, but obviously we were working on alternatives at the same time in case this happened,” Monchi told Roma TV.

“We are very clear on the candidate we want to lead the team next season and that’s what we’re working on. Fundamentally, we want a coach who has clear ideas, has a hard-work ethic, is able to buy into the club philosophy, conveys the club’s values and is a winner. I think those characteristics sum up the Coach we want to take us forward.

“As I said, one of the things I was excited about when I joined Roma was the chance to work with Luciano. Sadly that’s not been possible. As I said in his farewell press conference, my perception of Luciano is even better now that it was before I arrived here. I have a better idea because I’ve seen him work.

“I hope our paths cross again in the future. I wish him all the luck in the world, because I think he deserves that.

“My message to the Roma fans is to have confidence in the project, to have confidence that the road ahead is going to be an exciting one. As I said at my unveiling, I didn’t leave Sevilla for nothing. I’m here because I want to win. I want to achieve big things at a club that in my opinion deserves it. That’s the message to the fans.

"We want to achieve what the Roma fans dream of. That would be the greatest reward for our work.”

Spalletti did secure second place, which means automatic Champions League qualification.

“First of all, I think it’s a reward for a job well done. Roma have broken records in terms of goals scored and points, coming second with their highest-ever points tally. I think there’s satisfaction at a job well done. I think it’s very important for the future. The AS Roma brand needs to be associated with the Champions League.

“As for the project we want to build in the future, it’s fundamental that we have the chance to play in the Champions League. It’s a source of huge satisfaction and happiness and allows us to start laying the foundations for the future.

“It’s another string to your bow when it comes to convincing players, but in any case the AS Roma brand is already a strong one. It helps but it’s not the be all and end all. The project we have in mind is ambitious and exciting and it’s already moving forwards, so that doesn’t change too much.

“There is an economic aspect involved. That said, I think the real value lies in the brand, the prestige and the quality of image it enables you to project as a club, rather than the purely economic value.

“Elite players want to play in the best competition in the world and that is the Champions League, so playing in it makes Roma an even more attractive proposition.”



So basically Monchi was/IS the voice of the club when speaking about appointing a new manager etc, because simply - he is actually a good dof - not someone with the job title and a scouting portfolio. Just how much more professional does that make Roma seem in comparison to us for example.

we basically hired a bloke who was the equivalent of a brilliant school physics teacher and then gave him a job as a project co-ordinator for NASA.

Meanwhile Roma have won 9 of 11 in the league, are effectively topping their CL group which includes Chelsea and Athletico. Moshiri wanted a DOF - and apparently that season Monchi wasn't available, so he hired walsh instead dof delaying 10 months and getting Monchi for example, which is exactly what Roma decided to do.

WHY on earth you settle for 2nd/3rd/4th best in such a position - which at the time was a choice to appoint a DOF rather than a necessity is absolutely stupid as 'f'

Monchi was the stand out choice at that time. Over a 15 year period he took a club that were in the second division to win 4 European titles and out 10 overall. What you also saw at Sevilla, was a process on recruitment, with the same type of managers being sought out. That was right down to the last appointment, Emery went so they got in Sampioli. At no point did they ever become distracted by romantic notions of a "superstar on the sidelines in the hollywood of football".

I am not going to berate Moshiri for not closing on Monchi/Emery. It was the right play and had we have got them both we would be in far better shape. If we had got them both, alongside the right changes at board level, the club could go to the very top within 5 years. They are both that good.

That being said, he didn't close the deal. It was a hard sell, Monchi had turned down Real Madrid and while I think we have potential to be as big as Roma we are still a fair bit off (particularly in the boardroom).

Walsh was an interesting pick. You were asking him to step up to a role. There's no doubt his scouting ability is fantastic, and at our club has been under utilised. I have little doubt that had Monchi been told he was working into Elstone he'd have run a mile. We took a gamble on him being able to add all the other parts of the job, as evidenced above by Monchi and it hasn't worked out.

I think the club benefits from a proper DOF. Look at clubs who have a smiler profile to us, in terms of strengths and weaknesses. You will see Dortmund, Monaco, Ajax etc who have topped the list of overachieving. Particularly Dortmund I sense a lot of this is down to Zorc and the structure of he has put into place. I would throw an enormous amount at him to get him to come. I'm happy for Walsh to work into him, but as you say he's not a DOF.

Sooner or later Moshiri is going to have to make a decision on the old board. They will get Everton relegated. What is more important to him? His friendship to Kenwright/not hurting Elstone/Kenwright/Woods feelings, or the club and more importantly his investment?

 

[JLW]

No news is good news, or is it?? It's less likely to draft someone like Allardyce now I think, that would of happened soon after we lost to Watford!! I do believe that win over Watford has changed a lot and give the club some breathing space in their appointment. Getting a manager from a club mid season will be very difficult and costly, they may have a couple of managers who are willing to talk in May, but it's between now and may which could be the sticking point!

 

[bluestevon]

I agree in part. I'm not sure why he is being asked what his opinion is though. That could also have reduced 3 to 2. The way he currently works it would have little impact on his work who the manager is. He doesn't dictate transfer policy, doesn't dictate budgets, doesn't take a lead on what players a manager should have, doesn't negotiate or lose deals etc.

I'd keep Walsh on, but in an explicitly recruitment/scouting role. We need someone working above him, my ideal would be Zorc from Dortmund. I'd keep him o, because if nothing else he seems to be very astute in his role as a scout.

Zorc will never leave Dortmund mate, he's part of the fabric of the club

As for Walsh - nah you don't go from DoF back to head scout - he's basically been an expensive failure mate

 

[TheFinnFan]

Nothing? Should I just keep on drinking. Yeah

 

[COYBL25]

Nothing? Should I just keep on drinking. Yeah

You could be drinking for a long time Finners, probably best to pace yourself

 

[davek]

Back on Everton, the model has failed with Koeman, Walsh and the board (again a point you labour). I would expect a review to take place and lessons to be learned before appointing, to look at the underlying reasons why things didn't work (beyond 'he's crap, Walsh is crap, he's a fraud, there's no money and all the other usual fan driven rhetoric)... Then appoint with a manager that fits and a system that will support them.

That is what good business does.

Yes, that's fair enough. But in this intervening period there has to have been a decisive judgement made on what we do from the people with the power to appoint - we have no manager and a caretaker who doesn't know if he's still caretaker.

Please tell me you dont think they've put the last three weeks to good use.

 

[davek]

It is never too early, or to late for that matter, to do the right thing.

Regardless of whether or not a replacement was lined up, Koeman needed binned.

Even before he was binned, and as others have pointed out, this club hires people to make sure we have irons in the fire to move quickly from one managerial regime to the next. Early or late sacking, it didn't matter. The process should have been in motion.

 

[davek]

I think you are right to say "another layer of bureaucracy". I understand people's anger at Walsh but there are bits of it I don't get. I was listening to EBM and Roger was saying how we all thought Walsh would come to the club and revatalise it top to bottom and put structures join place etc. I have no idea what could have given anyone this idea, looking at Walsh's background, previous roles and how he embarked on this job very early on. He is not a DOF, certainly not in the sense of what people are looking for him to be.

It's not all his fault, there is meddling at every level. Moshiri is seemingly poking his nose in on an as and when basis, either throwing out links to Koulibaly or Witsel last summer Costa/Cavani this summer or now dropping Simeone in via Jim White. You then have Elstone and Kenwright of the "old guard"who both in their own way operate as DOF types, closing negotiations and penny pinching over fees. Last summer you also had a headstrong manager who had 2 players in mind (Klaasen & Sigurdsson) he wouldn't budge on in areas of the pitch we already had cover (much like you said re Schneiderlin). It is not unreasonable to say Walsh had very little chance, with all that going on of making a success of being a DOF.

That being said, it doesn't say a lot for the guy that he is melting into the background, accepting the status quo and seemingly backing Allardyce. After his first summer any DOF worth is salt would have marched into Moshiri's office and demanded full control, probably with Elstone gone altogether. We got away with that debacle of not adding anyone on deadline day. The fact he's allowed it to go on for a second summer, and not really made any play to try and rectify the situation says an awful lot. If we employed Zorc from Dortmund (A proper DOF) he would not accept the status quo, and he likely go the way of Trevor Birch all those years ago.

I suppose thats why the book ultimately stops with Moshiri. He's agreed to things he should never have agreed too re the old guard and in truth he's probably gone over and above what he contractually had too in putting Elstone onto the board. It teaches everyone, don't rock the boat, blend into the surrounding and enjoy a cushy little job. I have no problems with statements about Simeone but real ambition would be sorting out the board and getting people onto it who can deliver.

As for Walsh, for me he's not a director of football, but I'd happily keep him on as head scout. In amongst the mess of the last 18 months, the few positive things that have emerged have largely been of his doing (signings such as Gueye, Lookman, Vlasic and the attempted signing of Demurai Gray).

Moshiri hired Walsh and bought into the DoF model, then proceeded to tell everyone that Koeman is a superstar manager and "does what he wants".

The feller is not a credible player.

In fact, there's no one at the club anyone can point to and say they are a success at what they do...save for Unsworth in his old role as U23 manager, ironically enough.

 

[davek]

It’s a bit nuts now isn’t it?

I don’t know if I’m being impatient or what, but we need a manager in place surely?!

Course we do. It's gross negligence that this window has gone by and wasted in terms of rebooting the season with a new man definitely in charge, be that Unsworth or another manager.

 

[davek]

Or...maybe said, Unsworth will continue as caretaker manager and we will continue to look for the right successor to Koeman.

Yes.

Simple and direct and we all know where we are.

Common sense and Everton's board are strangers though.

 

[ijjysmith]

Course we do. It's gross negligence that this window has gone by and wasted in terms of rebooting the season with a new man definitely in charge, be that Unsworth or another manager.

It’s a bit mental isn’t it?

Why don’t we ever do anything normal? I’m all for taking time to get the right man and if it was over the summer then I’d be feeling a bit more comfortable but this is during the season and it needs sorting.

 

[Yarrgh]

Is anyone else completely bored of this saga now.

Reminds me of the pursuit of Sigurddson.

And look how that ended.

Everton are masters of indecision.

Overpay for something not terrible but not inspiring whilst forcing out a more talented home grown talent? Dyche it is then.

 

[Rudolf Hucker]

I'm not sure that I agree with this.

Until the manager is shown the door, there is no vacancy. Any approaches would have to be on an informal and non-attributable basis. You can't encourage people to throw their names in a hat for a non-existent vacancy - that would be totally unprofessional and disrespectful and undermining of the current boss. And you certainly can't interview anybody for the job beforehand. So how are you going to identify the right man for the job before firing your manager ? You're not, unless you're one of these owners who's happy to chance it and follow their gut instinct. I repeat : that really isn't a good model for running a football club.

Managers have agents just like players do. Anyone responsible for recruitment at a football club would/should be on talking terms with all the top agents & speaking with them regularly. The board would surely have known after Atalanta that they might have a decision to make. They should have been sounding out candidates then. The top clubs certainly would have. That’s why we’re not a top club.

 

[Rudolf Hucker]

The decision to sack Koeman should only have been made on the basis that there was a candidate secured and ready to slot in a few days after Koeman departed.

That's how well run organisations operate.

Everton sacking Koeman looks now like blind panic on behalf of an out of touch owner largely unaware of the strength of feeling that had been built up against Koeman and who reacted in a knee jerk manner when he was there for that 5-2 drubbing by Arsenal.

This owner is not what people believe him to be. He is an absent landlord and completely clueless at football decision making and when they need to be executed.

Agree up to the last sentence. I can’t believe a man with Moshiri’s money is stupid or lacks a ruthless streak. My guess is maybe he’s placed too much trust in BSB & his cronies. I would hope he’s now seen that didn’t work for him & changes will be made.