Next manager discussion (poll reset 21/05/2016)

[Legend Barry Horne]

WTF solid????? lol

He overstayed his welcome. He failed to win anything in 11 years. He came 7th usually. 7th ffs???

He left. He became a tit. He was utterly pathetic at United. He showed he hasn't a clue about modern football in Spain.

We have a fan base deeply impatient and yearning for success. And you want David Moyes?

Absurd? Yes in the extreme.

We need a new boss who can give us that needed boost heading into a semi final. Not someone who would cause uproar and cause a riot lol

Moyesey did better then any of the several managers before him throughout the 90's - maybe you weren't a fan at that time and didn't have to endure that period - Moyes is limited but did a lot for Everton - can't believe I'm having to spell that out

 

[nsno-chris]

Yep - fair enough - agree we should be aiming for a proven league winner - Moyes was limited. But I'd have him over Martinez at the moment and some other contenders

I'd happily pay to have the work ethic and team spirit back, and the defensive solidarity

 

[ToffeeTim]

Moyesey did better then any of the several managers before him throughout the 90's - maybe you weren't a fan at that time and didn't have to endure that period - Moyes is limited but did a lot for Everton - can't believe I'm having to spell that out

Well I'm 22 so Moyes was the majority of my Everton supporting life. But I'm not arguing he did a reasonable job. He did ok in the circumstances.

But to suggest he's the right option to take us forward in the current enviornment is absolutely absurd. I've seen enough football to know he's way below the level we need. Us being piss throughout lots of the 90's is completely irrelevant to this debate too.

 

[efcjames]

Don't mean to brag but I got Everton to finish 8th on Football Manager 2016. I think I deserve a shot at the managerial role.

 

[Legend Barry Horne]

Well I'm 22 so Moyes was the majority of my Everton supporting life. But I'm not arguing he did a reasonable job. He did ok in the circumstances.

But to suggest he's the right option to take us forward in the current enviornment is absolutely absurd. I've seen enough football to know he's way below the level we need. Us being piss throughout lots of the 90's is completely irrelevant to this debate too.

Well there you go - when Moyes took over you were c.8 years old - the equivalent of being born with a silver spoon in Everton fan terms - the 90's years of relegation battles were grim believe me

My point is Moyes is given an overly harsh time given what he did for the club - it seems to defy logic and be largely based on a couple of incidents (the Baines / Fellaini episode for one) that got people's backs up and made them wipe the previous 20 years from their memories

We can and should aim higher now with the Moshiri money available - there has to be a step change to lift everyone's spirits and retain the top players

 

[ToffeeTim]

Well there you go - when Moyes took over you were c.8 years old - the equivalent of being born with a silver spoon in Everton fan terms - the 90's years of relegation battles were grim believe me

My point is Moyes is given an overly harsh time given what he did for the club - it seems to defy logic and be largely based on a couple of incidents (the Baines / Fellaini episode for one) that got people's backs up and made them wipe the previous 20 years from their memories

We can and should aim higher now with the Moshiri money available - there has to be a step change to lift everyone's spirits and retain the top players

You were alive to see Everton win the league? I have the exact same chat to my Dad. He tells me to calm down but he's seen us win the league multiple times!

Wouldn't call it a silver spoon!

 

[Legend Barry Horne]

You were alive to see Everton win the league? I have the exact same chat to my Dad. He tells me to calm down but he's seen us win the league multiple times!

Wouldn't call it a silver spoon!

I guess the point is not taking relative success (on limited resources) for granted - it's easier to appreciate that having felt the pain of years of relegation fights, made worse on the back of the highs of the 80's. Sometimes achieving success isn't pretty - look at the Mourinho teams. And plenty of former 'big clubs' have lost their way - the championship is littered with former premiership teams - Villa will be joining them - tough to get back up from there

I don't think many people would disagree we can aim higher now - except those still fervently backing Martinez maybe. It's an important time - good decisions need to be made in the next few months

 

[fandjango]

Is it really 'absurd' to want to bring back a manager who delivered solid league performance year on year? Unpopular with most of the fan base at present, yes, but absurd is an extreme term here. He struggled to crack the top four and win against top of the table sides. But who knows with more money and some better attacking players he might crack it

Totally agree
If we can't get Jose or Pellegrini then Moyes is the clear choice.....

I hadn't really thought much about Moyes but I agree .... What he was always missing was a quality consistent striker ..... He almost never lost a game from 2 up
Give him thus squad including Rom and I would bet my last dollar we would be pushing top 4

 

[matty1878]

Well there you go - when Moyes took over you were c.8 years old - the equivalent of being born with a silver spoon in Everton fan terms - the 90's years of relegation battles were grim believe me

My point is Moyes is given an overly harsh time given what he did for the club - it seems to defy logic and be largely based on a couple of incidents (the Baines / Fellaini episode for one) that got people's backs up and made them wipe the previous 20 years from their memories

We can and should aim higher now with the Moshiri money available - there has to be a step change to lift everyone's spirits and retain the top players

We need a winner a big named manager who's won things.

 

[Legend Barry Horne]

I hadn't really thought much about Moyes but I agree .... What he was always missing was a quality consistent striker ..... He almost never lost a game from 2 up
Give him thus squad including Rom and I would bet my last dollar we would be pushing top 4

Exactly! That was what he always missed - for years - solid defending but lacked a top draw striker

Martinez solved that straight away, plus brought a wave of optimism of a new era, in fans and players who enjoyed a break from the tough discipline of the Moyes regime. But over time ill discipline kicked in. A poor pre-season in 14/15 after Martinez spent the summer commentating in Brazil and all down hill from there

 

[Mickey]

Jose in todays papers saying he wants to go "Where I'm truly wanted". Rules out Utd so, half the club don't want him.

 

[matty1878]

Jose in todays papers saying he wants to go "Where I'm truly wanted". Rules out Utd so, half the club don't want him.

It's a pipe dream to get him with kenwright as chairman. But if we did which we won't he would do wonders

 

[Mickey]

It's a pipe dream to get him with kenwright as chairman. But if we did which we won't he would do wonders

Moshy got this lad, never you mind bout Bill.

 

[matty1878]

Moshy got this lad, never you mind bout Bill.

My worry is ( if ) it's kenwright getting a new manager if he evens sacks Roberto he will play it safe. If It's moshri then it's a whole new ball game

 

[Legend Barry Horne]

My worry is ( if ) it's kenwright getting a new manager if he evens sacks Roberto he will play it safe. If It's moshri then it's a whole new ball game

Sure Moshiri will influence. It's an exciting prospect - Newcastle attracted Benitez - no reason we can't attract a top, top manager