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Next manager discussion (poll reset 21/05/2016)

Who would you want?

  • Frank de Boer

    Votes: 302 17.0%
  • David Moyes

    Votes: 56 3.2%
  • Manuel Pellegrini

    Votes: 152 8.6%
  • Ronald Koeman

    Votes: 286 16.1%
  • Other (please state below)

    Votes: 109 6.1%
  • Unai Emery

    Votes: 870 49.0%

  • Total voters
    1,775
  • Poll closed .
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Gotta say mate that was an impressive post.

Villareal - 15th, 15th, 8th (3 seasons prior to Pelligrini)
3rd (QF EC), 7th (SF CL), 5th, 2nd, 5th (QF CL) in his 5 years in charge
3 years after he left - 7th, 4th, 18th

so instantly transformed a mid table/relegation battling team into one that in 5 seasons reached 3 euopean QF's and one of those he got to the SF in, not only that but after he left he did so with the team in good enough shape that the next manager in was able to keep them in contention for a couple of additional years - at which point maybe you can say the new manager failed in turning around the squad he inheritted

Malaga 2nd in the second division, 8th, 17th - the three years prior to him taking charge
his 3 years their, 11th, 4th, 6th (CL QF)

2 years after he has left - 11th, 9th

so yet again a case of the team picking up hugely when he arrived followed by actually maintaining that improvement for a few seasons after he leaves. and as with Villareal - he again took a team with no european pedigree whatsoever onto the biggest stage and made waves
 
Villareal - 15th, 15th, 8th (3 seasons prior to Pelligrini)
3rd (QF EC), 7th (SF CL), 5th, 2nd, 5th (QF CL) in his 5 years in charge
3 years after he left - 7th, 4th, 18th

so instantly transformed a mid table/relegation battling team into one that in 5 seasons reached 3 euopean QF's and one of those he got to the SF in, not only that but after he left he did so with the team in good enough shape that the next manager in was able to keep them in contention for a couple of additional years - at which point maybe you can say the new manager failed in turning around the squad he inheritted

Malaga 2nd in the second division, 8th, 17th - the three years prior to him taking charge
his 3 years their, 11th, 4th, 6th (CL QF)

2 years after he has left - 11th, 9th

so yet again a case of the team picking up hugely when he arrived followed by actually maintaining that improvement for a few seasons after he leaves. and as with Villareal - he again took a team with no european pedigree whatsoever onto the biggest stage and made waves


Agree a very impressive post, very informative and factual indeed.

That is an excellent case for Pellegrini right there, and I certainly think he would make an excellent appointment. I would be delighted with him. Would imagine Brian Kidd would come with him, don't see him figuring in Guardiola's plans.
 
Agree a very impressive post, very informative and factual indeed.

That is an excellent case for Pellegrini right there, and I certainly think he would make an excellent appointment. I would be delighted with him. Would imagine Brian Kidd would come with him, don't see him figuring in Guardiola's plans.

Won't want Kidd - unless he needs someone to jump onto the pitch like a lunatic when his team score (yet another) late winner.
 
Bluestevon has definitely done some great work there but Pellegrini's work at City leaves a lot to be desired, I think. The year he won the league, City very, very nearly lost it to a team that conceded over 50 goals, the RS really should have won it but we all know what happened next. I'm not slagging him off for winning the league btw, I just think RS arrogance got him out of jail.

So many of his buys have been average at best, Mangala, Fernando, Bony, Otamendi, Navas etc. All at big, big prices too, and his record at Anfield (something we really need to rectify) is as bad as Martinez. What worries me is with the best budget in the league, he could easily have dominated the PL year after year with no consistent contender, yet they've been out of the Title race since about February.

Is he an upgrade? Definitely, but looking at our current incumbent that's not saying much.
 

Bluestevon has definitely done some great work there but Pellegrini's work at City leaves a lot to be desired, I think. The year he won the league, City very, very nearly lost it to a team that conceded over 50 goals, the RS really should have won it but we all know what happened next. I'm not slagging him off for winning the league btw, I just think RS arrogance got him out of jail.

So many of his buys have been average at best, Mangala, Fernando, Bony, Otamendi, Navas etc. All at big, big prices too, and his record at Anfield (something we really need to rectify) is as bad as Martinez. What worries me is with the best budget in the league, he could easily have dominated the PL year after year with no consistent contender, yet they've been out of the Title race since about February.

Is he an upgrade? Definitely, but looking at our current incumbent that's not saying much.
I think that some managers, like players, are a better fit at certain types of clubs. In the same way I think Mourinho or Guardiola would struggle with a team like us, but thrive at top dollar clubs. Managers like Pellegrini and Ranieri may not be able to make the most of top dollar clubs like Chelsea, Madrid or City. Where the only thing bigger than the demands are the egos of the players. However they will thrive at clubs like Villarreal, Malaga, Leicester or, dare I say it, Everton.

Just a theory. I'm not sure of anything any more.
 
Bluestevon has definitely done some great work there but Pellegrini's work at City leaves a lot to be desired, I think. The year he won the league, City very, very nearly lost it to a team that conceded over 50 goals, the RS really should have won it but we all know what happened next. I'm not slagging him off for winning the league btw, I just think RS arrogance got him out of jail.

So many of his buys have been average at best, Mangala, Fernando, Bony, Otamendi, Navas etc. All at big, big prices too, and his record at Anfield (something we really need to rectify) is as bad as Martinez. What worries me is with the best budget in the league, he could easily have dominated the PL year after year with no consistent contender, yet they've been out of the Title race since about February.

Is he an upgrade? Definitely, but looking at our current incumbent that's not saying much.

Thing is mate, of those big name players we don't know how many of them had been his choices and hw many have been bought in by those above him at city, who egffectively are Guardiolas people who city have put into place at the club over the last few years to pave the way in for Guardiola - which was always their ultimate goal.

Thats the problem when you look at a team such as City or Mardid, Barca or Chelsea, you are often dealing with clubs that either have DoF or Owners who directly involve themselves in transfers regardless of if the manager wants those players as his first choice.

Some - not all obviously of those signings will undoubtably have been signed off by Guardiola through his connections already at Ciity of that i have absolutely no doubt.

As for the title race - up until the announcement of Guardiola taking over this sumemr they where right in the title race still - 3 points off Leicester, that announcement honestly absolutely killed Cities hopes this season - as could be expected really, would they have won the league should none of that happened - who honestly can say, but i am pretty sure they would still be in the mix right now for the title if it had never happened.

Overall the only way to judge him is to look at each of the clubs he has managed and the expectations and time he had to realise those goals

Villareal - unqualified success, far exceeded anything that he would have been expected to have achieved
Madrid - qualified failiure - best ever points total, best ever goals scored and GD for them, but came second to a unstoppable Guardiola Barca team, one year not enough to know what he could have done in another 2 years time, Mourinho though did no better first season he came tommadrid and got a second season, os have to say he was unfairly treated
Malaga - unqualified success, got a minnow into the CL QF's and had them finishing top end of the league
City - hard to judge, one league title and one cup in two seasons - likely what the powners would have demanded so hit targets, this season undermined so has an excuse in the league, won a minor cup which makes a little bit of diference but in the SF of the CL which if they should win it would turn his time a sa city manager into a massive success IMO, should he fail then you can argue a minor failiure i guess

Overall i can't think of many better managers with his CV and pedigree who we 1. could attract and who 2. already know this league so will not be a risk such as would be with De Boer, Cocu, Emre etc - think martin jol for the ditch guys, or AVB for Emre i guess...
 
Mate, i honestly have no idea why you are nagative constantly about Pelligrini, look at his career, Managed Real Madrid (and achieved at the time their greatest ever points total in la liga and their record ever goals scored total) was only replaced as they wanted Mourinho otherwise unlike most madrid managers he wouldn't have been sacked - only lost the title due to barca having possibly their best ever team that season under Guardiola

Qualified for and then reached the semi finals of the CL with Villareal a small spanish team who came out of nowhere and entirely with a team he built from the ground

Qualified and reached the QF with Malaga - another small spanish team who although often people go on about how much money he spent like he manged a PSG type buying of success - actually look at the figures of what they actually spent whilst he managed them and you will be surprised just how little it was - it made waves for two reasons only, ONE - Malaga are such a small team that when they spent money comparable to the mid tier spanish teams like valencia, sevilla etc then it was remarked on like some mega cash spend - which is honestly wasn't, and TWO - it made headlines due to Malaga being banned for FPP breahces - which everyone without bothering to find out assumed it was because they had spent a gazzilion pounds on players - in actuality they breached FPP not on transfre spending or for the wages being in breach of what was allowed, but for not being able to pay the clubs outstanding debts and the players wages.

Managed man city to a semi final and one they have a great chance in, won a league and two cups in 3 seasons, and had this season in the league pulled from under him by the appointing of Pep when they where sat 3 points behind leicester - the announcement completely derailed their season

Pelligrini a man who ahs reahced 1 SF, 1 QF and another SF - possibly final as they are still in it, with 3 completely different teams in his career, and your not keen on him because he hasn't won every signle thing with man city...

I prefer Mourinho as i have stated , but Pelligrini would be a massive statement to appoint him as manager and would be so far above the level of De Boer, Cocu etc

With the resources he has he should be winning every season + if Peps appointment derailed their season then how has he got them into the champs league semis?

Awful signings and i posted on here a link to the guardian online a couple of weeks ago with a couple of their fans commenting that he was awful...cant remember all the reasons but they said that he wasnt doing well before the announcement + poor transfers+ players out of position + playing Bony ahead of Kelechi inehacho (sp!) And other youngsters werent given a look in + a few more things....

If it was me, and were looking at someone 62 years old then i'd rather go for Del Bosque at 65
 

I think that some managers, like players, are a better fit at certain types of clubs. In the same way I think Mourinho or Guardiola would struggle with a team like us, but thrive at top dollar clubs. Managers like Pellegrini and Ranieri may not be able to make the most of top dollar clubs like Chelsea, Madrid or City. Where the only thing bigger than the demands are the egos of the players. However they will thrive at clubs like Villarreal, Malaga, Leicester or, dare I say it, Everton.

Just a theory. I'm not sure of anything any more.


Good point really that is mate, Pelligrini strikes me as a manager who likes to work and teach players and i guess when your dealing with bigger names and egos it becomes harder to do that

He showed at Malaga and Villareal that he is very skilled in building a team and something i really like is that both those teams had one or two special players that he moulded the squad around to compliment and it worked, Malaga had Cazorla and Isco, Villareal had Riquelme, even at River he had D'alessandro who he built the team around even though he was just 20 or so.

The thing i like most maybe, is he has never failed badly at any team he has ever managed, even at Madrid and City the best you could argue is he didn't win enough but not that he seriously underachieved, he has also never ever had any sort of player conflict at any club he has managed and given some of the ego's he has dealt with that is a huge positive, ex players talk well about him - the likes of Cazorla/Isco etc and Ronaldo publicly backed him when at Madrid trying to get the owners to give him another season or two, its rare that you have that combination of a manager who has his teams performing without ruffling peples feathers and a good sign
 
I think this is the key really. Martinez is / will be leaving us, as most will concede, in a much weaker position than he found us. I would certainly hope that a new manager would see us as a club that could match his ambitions and in that sense, yes, make a home with us and not be looking at his next club before he has even got his hands dirty. All things equal, the longer the right manager is in the job, the better for all of us.

It is a unique opportunity for the next Everton manager, perhaps more so than anyone who will have gone before. Some of our bigger "stars" are likely to be off, there is plenty of deadwood that needs clearing out. With new investment, it's an opportunity for someone to come in and start from a blank page, to really mould a squad and make it better than the sum of its parts.

I'm a bit down now as most of us will be, but let's not be too despondent either, there is much that can excite us in the coming months. Football is very fickle and with a good appointment, the best we can make, and a good start to next season, Martinez will pass quietly into history.

Just one thing about a new manager - I don't want to hear anything about "philosophy" ever ever again. The only philosophy worth having is Everton winning games, winning this and the next game, and winning cups. You do what it takes before and during the game, to win THAT game. Anything else belongs in the bin.


How has Martinez left us in a worse position than when he joined? The nucleus of a squad is there for the mid-long term which it wasnt under Moyes.
 
Just to play devils advocate re De Boer, would it not be more sensible to move some of our own coaches up into the first team as Ajax do? Possibly Unsworth/and o Sheedy? There might even be a chance to get Stubbs/Weir back involved?
Alternatively this alongside maybe 1 person from Ajax?

Depends on who we could bring over as well;

Overmars Director of football
Stam
Bergkamp
R. De Boer

Few more names there too. Imagine going in and seeing Barkley being coached by Bergkamp.
 

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