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Next manager discussion (poll reset 21/05/2016)

Who would you want?

  • Frank de Boer

    Votes: 302 17.0%

  • David Moyes

    Votes: 56 3.2%

  • Manuel Pellegrini

    Votes: 152 8.6%

  • Ronald Koeman

    Votes: 286 16.1%

  • Other (please state below)

    Votes: 109 6.1%

  • Unai Emery

    Votes: 870 49.0%
  • Total voters
    1,775
  • Poll closed .
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The 2 potentially big appointments IMO are Emery and Mourinho. I like Pellegrini too, though I would concede that there may be an air of "after the lord mayor's show" for him in the Everton job. Still see him as a better alternative to most of the names mentioned. There could be plenty of managers who could come in and do a good job. I hope Moshiri shows the requisite ambition and is not constrained by history.

Ending up with a Koeman or AVB type will be underwhelming and run contrary to the expectations which have been set rightly or wrongly since Moshiri's arrival.

We all want to see someone come in and do well and if possible, stay long-term. But I'm less concerned about that than others. Give me someone who can come in for 3 years and see us progress in each of those years and finally win something again, and then, if they so wish, they can leave with my thanks.
 
I've said it before but I want Villas Boas. very much doubt one of his teams would concede so many mystery time goals as we do. Also think he'd show a bit of authority and have the players in shape rather than unfit and just doing what they want.
 
It says it all that I don't want Moyes but given a choice between Moyes or Martinez in charge next season I would welcome our ginger former overlord back with open arms.

Obviously someone else is preferable, no idea who we will get. Probably some funky foreigner.
 
brieverton said:
The 2 potentially big appointments IMO are Emery and Mourinho. I like Pellegrini too, though I would concede that there may be an air of "after the lord mayor's show" for him in the Everton job. Still see him as a better alternative to most of the names mentioned. There could be plenty of managers who could come in and do a good job. I hope Moshiri shows the requisite ambition and is not constrained by history.

Ending up with a Koeman or AVB type will be underwhelming and run contrary to the expectations which have been set rightly or wrongly since Moshiri's arrival.

We all want to see someone come in and do well and if possible, stay long-term. But I'm less concerned about that than others. Give me someone who can come in for 3 years and see us progress in each of those years and finally win something again, and then, if they so wish, they can leave with my thanks.
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Another good post! I agree with most of what you are saying, particularly re the long term. We have to get over the idea that longevity at all costs.

I do thin though, that with certain managers they put a system in place whereby they leave us in a better situation than before and there is a continuum. We should have a way we want to win and we should try where possible to find managers who fit that.

It's my view, but I think Emery, De Boer etc would give us a structure that can be built upon. Potation is similar and will leave Spurs in a much stronger place.

I don't really get that feeling from some of the other, older names.
 
The arguments back and forth between Mourinho and Pelligrini, in my opinion they're both very good managers. And a huge step up from what we've had before. Both having their strengths and weaknesses, surely it's a good thing we're even talking about this caliber of manager.

Now look at some of the names we've been linked with, David Moyes, Eddie Howe. Our present manager in some quarters should stay on!!! In my opinion, they should never have been in contention with a club the stature of ours, in the first place. Let alone hired. We've been small time for too long, I was wrong about the scale of the wages our previous managers were paid, but ultimately they are still in the top twenty. We do have the pull.

We still have a lot to offer as a club, they're appears to be an attitude that, well now we're plucky little Everton. That's all we can expect. From the media and sadly some of our own supporters, Imagine, in twenty years time and we still haven't won anything. What will the attitude be then? Who will be put forward as our next manager in those circumstances?

This is a defining appointment in Everton's history. If they get this wrong, it could well shape how we are perceived as a club, not just from the wider media but from a new generation of supporters.
 

The more I read about Marcelo Bielsa the more I'd like him at Everton. The way he plays sound ideal for the Premiership. The only doubt I have is he's a bit mental and could walk at any point also he's not the youngest. I'd have him and get an assistant who can learn from him and take us on beyond his reign. He'd get the team working hard and pressing ball and playing attractive football.
 
Unai Emery - manager of Seville - why would he?! Why would De Boer or Cocu want to come to Everton? I'm no expert but, reservations apart, I'd take Pellegrini as the best available of that list.

Mourinho wouldn't be interested would he?
 
catcherintherye said:
You make a good case but I just can't get on board with this. Lets challenge this a little.

1) Real Madrid. Had one of the best squads in the world, may have scored goals and points but won nothing. It wasn't due to Mourinho, he was sacked because he failed.

2) Malaga. Did a good job, but had lots of money to spend. Again didn't win anything.

3) Villareal. A truly outstanding job but it was over 10 years ago now.

4) City. Won 1 league title in 3 years in a period when the top teams have been in turmoil. United have struggled, Chelsea have struggled. Champions league record of 1 semi final and two group stage exits, given their resource is very poor.
The season he won the league I would say it was more handed to them.

All of the above indicated a downward trajectory to me. His defence looks all over rt. place to me given the money he's spent. He remains very reliant on players Mancini bought (i.e. Silva, Company, Aguero & Toure).

Finally age is important in all of this. We are in more of a mess than we like to think. It's recoverable but he is an older man now. I think we need to get a manager who can be here potentially longer term and take a couple of years to sought the mess out.

I also feel as a football club our strengths are not suited to a Pellgrini type manager. Even with Moshiri's money I am doubtful we will be eating off the top table. Our strength has been an adept scouting system and strong youth academy. He will not maximise them.

If you compare his record to De Boers it does not stand up. Compare his record at City and Real Madrid to De Boers in Ajax (both at similar size clubs in terms of spending compared to the rest of the league). De Boer won 3 titles in a row, Pellegrini scraped over the line once in 4 years.
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Bought Joaquim when he was 30 for 2.5m for Malaga
Bought Toulalan for 7m when he was 27 for Malaga
Bought Monreal when he was 25 for 4m for Malaga


Brought an 18yo Cazorla up from the academy into the Villareal team
Bought a 21 yo camacho for Malaga from Althletico for 1m
Bought a 19yo Isco from valancia for 2.5m
Signed Rodriguez for Villareal from river for a nominal fee, was a starter at cb for that villareal CL team that knocked us out at the age of 20

Bought Riquelme from Barca having loaned him for two seasons for 6m at Villareal
Bought Forlan from United for 2m - a player who have been labelled a huge bust for his time at United, 1st seaosn at Villareal he won the spanish top scorer and european golden boot
Bought Senna for 400k - as someone who still played in Brazil at 26 - that was an amazing purchase

Honestly mate thats just going through a couple of lists of the malaga and vilalreal teams he put togetehr, anyone with any doubt he can't operate and find great talent without having real madrid like money doesnt understand his history and some of the players he has turned into stars from busts at other teams

On a comparative note though, everyone is clamouring for Mourinho - and Pelligrini in the last 3 seasons in the prem has outperformed Mourinho mate
 
ToffeeDan said:
Unai Emery - manager of Seville - why would he?! Why would De Boer or Cocu want to come to Everton? I'm no expert but, reservations apart, I'd take Pellegrini as the best available of that list.

Mourinho wouldn't be interested would he?
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Simple answer to the Emery/De Boer/Cocu questions -

The Premier League. Have you SEEN the list of managers who are going to be working in this league next season? That is/should be attractive to a lot of other top managers.

I can sort of see the argument for Emery not wanting the job, because he's already in one of the "big leagues", but De Boer/Cocu? It'd be a massive step up for their careers in terms of profile etc
 

bluestevon said:
Bought Joaquim when he was 30 for 2.5m for Malaga
Bought Toulalan for 7m when he was 27 for Malaga
Bought Monreal when he was 25 for 4m for Malaga


Brought an 18yo Cazorla up from the academy into the Villareal team
Bought a 21 yo camacho for Malaga from Althletico for 1m
Bought a 19yo Isco from valancia for 2.5m
Signed Rodriguez for Villareal from river for a nominal fee, was a starter at cb for that villareal CL team that knocked us out at the age of 20

Bought Riquelme from Barca having loaned him for two seasons for 6m at Villareal
Bought Forlan from United for 2m - a player who have been labelled a huge bust for his time at United, 1st seaosn at Villareal he won the spanish top scorer and european golden boot
Bought Senna for 400k - as someone who still played in Brazil at 26 - that was an amazing purchase

Honestly mate thats just going through a couple of lists of the malaga and vilalreal teams he put togetehr, anyone with any doubt he can't operate and find great talent without having real madrid like money doesnt understand his history and some of the players he has turned into stars from busts at other teams

On a comparative note though, everyone is clamouring for Mourinho - and Pelligrini in the last 3 seasons in the prem has outperformed Mourinho mate
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The more time goes on, the more I'm warming to the idea of Pellegrini.
 
Axlswhk said:
pelligrini team don't do pressing, in this league if you don't press and harass the ball back, you're not going to go far.

Arsenal
Man city

2 perfect example of lack of pressing

And then you look at teams with high intensity and pressing

Leicester
Spurs
Liverpool

Can we forget Pellegrini now?
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City have gotten to the Cl semi final - think thats pretty far isn't it?
As for Arsenal and City - both will be qualifying for the god knows how many consecutvie seasons for the CL
 
ToffeeDan said:
Unai Emery - manager of Seville - why would he?! Why would De Boer or Cocu want to come to Everton? I'm no expert but, reservations apart, I'd take Pellegrini as the best available of that list.

Mourinho wouldn't be interested would he?
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Because he'd get a massive wage rise, £100m to spend, a squad with a few very talented players, he would only have to be mildly competent to improve us therefore less pressure, and there isn't the glass ceiling of Real/Barca/Atletico to get past either, the prem is open season.
 

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