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Next manager discussion (poll reset 21/05/2016)

Who would you want?

  • Frank de Boer

    Votes: 302 17.0%
  • David Moyes

    Votes: 56 3.2%
  • Manuel Pellegrini

    Votes: 152 8.6%
  • Ronald Koeman

    Votes: 286 16.1%
  • Other (please state below)

    Votes: 109 6.1%
  • Unai Emery

    Votes: 870 49.0%

  • Total voters
    1,775
  • Poll closed .
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I'm still reeling from getting slaughtered for suggesting Pearson, I really am. He led Leicester to the Championship title and despite them being one of the favourites for the drop, comfortably kept them in the prem after an amazing run of results. The current Leicester team mainly consists of his signings too! Ranieri has kept the core of the team that Pearson assembled and has finely-tuned the team-spirit that Pearson instilled. I would certainly rate his first season in the top-tier as being better than Howe's. Karanka hasn't even secured automatic promotion but still makes the poll. Would love to hear some genuine criticisms against appointing him, rather than being accused of being a kopite, and no, it's not time for walkies.
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Poor multi you lad, so obvious
 
I'm still reeling from getting slaughtered for suggesting Pearson, I really am. He led Leicester to the Championship title and despite them being one of the favourites for the drop, comfortably kept them in the prem after an amazing run of results. The current Leicester team mainly consists of his signings too! Ranieri has kept the core of the team that Pearson assembled and has finely-tuned the team-spirit that Pearson instilled. I would certainly rate his first season in the top-tier as being better than Howe's. Karanka hasn't even secured automatic promotion but still makes the poll. Would love to hear some genuine criticisms against appointing him, rather than being accused of being a kopite, and no, it's not time for walkies.

First off before anything else there is his ostrich rant. Enough said on that point.

Secondly, Ranieri has taken his squad and mounted a title challenge. Yes you could say credit Pearson for putting it together, but then there's also the question of how did he almost get a title winning squad relegated?

For me Ranieri is the genius and is getting very good, but not world class players, playing in a way that brings results. Pearson is an average manager who took a whole season to get very good players producing results.

Not for me. No one else in the league has touched him either.
 

Betting odds don't matter but Koeman at 16/1 is worth a few quid I reckon.

AVB too. More out of hope than any basis.

Can't get a price on De Boer anywhere like.

....De Boer is 14-1 with BetVictor. AVB is interesting, 40-1 with BetVictor and only 16s with Paddy Power. Pelligrini's odds have halved overnight, as low as 3-1 favourite now.
 
....De Boer is 14-1 with BetVictor. AVB is interesting, 40-1 with BetVictor and only 16s with Paddy Power. Pelligrini's odds have halved overnight, as low as 3-1 favourite now.

Just got 12's on De Boer with Betfair, whereas AVB AND Koeman were 25's. Suppose, like the board, we should take a look around before we jump into something too quickly.
 

We aren't mate, I'm sorry but we aren't.

It's all very off topic now so I'm going to have dip out of it at this point. Please though, take an hour to read up about this stuff before going forward with it.

Let me give you on final example. I once saw a bloke go into a bookies and say 'I want a price, not just on Sam Allardyce to be the next Newcastle manager. but also the day and timing of his press conference'. He was utterly amazed that the major high street firm wouldn't lay him a price - surely it would be decent if he could be that specific? If you could do exact lengths and race time for a horse to win, surely those odds would be much better than a straight win??

Totally and utterly different markets. In a market like this, I would be amazed if any bookmaker would lay 100 bets at 50/1. Just would not happen. The price wouldn't 'go down' - the market would be suspended and artificially adjusted.

The example you give though are of Betfair which is slightly different to a regular bookie, as it simplifies the bet and makes it more like an exchange.

Bookies operate in two ways. 1) They have stats guys who assess the probability of something happening. 2) They then fluctuate their odds to cover themselves. As long as they cover their losses with bets on the other side they are happy. Their profit margin lies in the differences of the pay out.

They would probably only look to suspend the market if they felt information was available that in instance 1 they were overlooked by. A managers race is different to a match, because people can have insider knowledge that isn't about stats and probability. That's more the cause of a suspension in this instance. Stop the market, assess whether the deal had been done, and only open if they know it is still an on race.

The collapsing odds on a manager will mean that members of the public are betting on them. When you see that you do have to ask why? It may be because there is something in it, or alternatively it may be a bit of a dead end rumour.

The current odds give us some idea, but only some idea. 2 months ago it looked completely unrealistic. There is some thought into this but you will only start to see a serious market if Martinez is confirmed to be moving.
 
http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/everton/next-permanent-manager

Jorge Sampaoli has shot up since the last time I checked

And Rudi Garcia, Walter Mazzarri

The Sampaoli shout is an interesting one because he fits the profile of Bielsa quite closely and is out of work. It wouldn't surprise me if they had the same agent/contact point. Mazzari seems to be getting linked with a few jobs including Liverpool so wouldn't read too much into that.

Nice to see De Boer on the list now. I think Cocu would be higher than what he's being shown on the list though and surprised Alan Stubbs isn't more prominent.
 

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