Next manager discussion (poll reset 21/05/2016)

[LostLegend]

They're delighted he's leaving and are utterly sick of the rubbish football he's been peddling.

Honestly, I haven't found a single dissenting opinion (apart from 'thanks for the titles, BUT...').

Reeks of spoilt fans in a no-mark league. If our next manager can bring us a trophy or two, he can have us play any dull style he wants... No complaints

 

[blueblue]

Cannot help but feel that if FDB was close to the job as manager that he and his associates would be a lot more tight lipped than they are.
Koeman must be in consideration but there is absolutely nothing coming from there.

 

[Goat]

De Boer watched his team get dismantled season after season and was given buttons to rebuild meaning he has to rely on the Youth players.

The man is a winner and has the name to attract top, top players.

Sit back and enjoy the ride.

 

[LAToffee]

Who reckons this is going to take as long as it took to sign Besic?

 

[Paddock]

Not loving the way De Boer is whoring himself. I'd prefer us to persue a tease who is playing hard to get because they know they're a 10.

I want a bit of romance, a courtship to tantalise us before we finally get to put our hand up that skirt.

I quite like it, he's throwing his name in the hat standing up and saying he wants to manage us, it shows drive and determination.

 

[Jamiednm]

Still standing by my number one choice, Mike Bassett.

No nonsense English manager, not afraid of giving old, lower league has beens a chance, swears like a trooper and of course, he's a local lad.

 

[blueblue]

Unless we get a manager with an established pedigree in a major league I want a manager working with a general manager scenario for a couple of seasons.
Joe Royle being a suitable type of candidate for general manager.
I wonder if RM had a man of the experience and knowledge of Joe Royle with him would things have been different ?

 

[Ashtonian]

I like him!

 

[hetion]

Seriously, was FdB unpopular or popular with the fanbase? (Wasn't sure if you were joking or not)

no he wasnt unpopluar, fans liked him but like every manager at every club people get bored of having the same thing, and they've just lost out on the title so of course they're going to be unhappy.

Jeepers..

Gib him off, Mosh

Reeks of spoilt fans in a no-mark league. If our next manager can bring us a trophy or two, he can have us play any dull style he wants... No complaints

Here's a bunch of quotes I found. From both fans and media, all the last two years and mostly before they lost this year's title:



"There's De Boer's general resentment towards pressing, attacking football. Worst of all is the complete rejection of Jonk, and by extension Cruijff's whole vision. De Boer has gone from being the man who freed us from Jol's horrible football by playing youngsters in attacking, nice football, to the man who plays mediocre players in a system that's scared of passing or dribbling forward, and claims we need more physicality and mentality, rather than the things that actually made Ajax football great."

--

"Our inability to create anything isn't due to the quality of our players. A lot of our players proved in the Eredivisie that they were capable of doing far better than they play at Ajax, and most of our players are still of a higher quality than 90% of the players in the Eredivisie. Yet we get dominated by teams like Dordrecht, Cambuur. The reason is our constant passing from centrebacks to our backs. Watch old clips of Ajax, and you'll see the centrebacks always looking forward, always dribbling in to the midfield to create a man more situation. Veltman did this in his first season in the team a lot as well. Nowadays the only way our attacks start is with the ball in Boilesen's or Van Rhijn's feet, having to start an attack from their own backline. Because of our centreback's fear of dribbling/passing in to the midfield, our DM is required to drop back too much (think Poulsen last season), essentially removing the link between defense and midfield, meaning that the only option left is a pass to the backs, or a long ball forward."

--

"I could tolerate the football we've been playing more if it actually produced results in the big games or in Europe."

--

(in response to the 4 league titles) "If you are an Ajax fan you expect quality entertaining football and the last two years it has been dreary slow, a lot of passing with no end product. Ajax is winning but not in style and only against weaker teams and not the big important matches." "But it's not just about our position, which we have gained this season against (will all due respect) small teams. The championships were only part of the main goal to be more competitive internationally. And on that front we failed year after year."

--

(in response to him being linked to us) "Prepare to be bored everton fans. He's like LVG in that he loves to pass around without any real threat." "He absolutely isn't a good manager." "He's a poor man's Wenger. Stale possession, very prone to counterattacks. He'll get found out in the Premier league."

--

"However, last season, with his team slow, lacking creativity and any effectiveness whatsoever, his solution was to simply thrust the underperforming Lasse Schone into that role, leaving summer signing Richairo Zivkovic out of the squad despite impressing for Groningen the previous year. It was a decision which never looked like working and it never did. He soon went back to throwing on central defender Mike van der Hoorn to play up front towards the end of matches as Ajax scrambled for points."

--

"Against Celtic in the Europa League, he started with Klaassen up front, even though the 22-year-old is the absolute star of the midfield. Lining up against a very defensive Scottish side in the Amsterdam Arena, they were severely lacking direction in the middle of the park and relied heavily on crosses, making 33 of them in 90 minutes. Ajax trailed 2-0 to Celtic and, although they came back to earn a point after Emilio Izaguirre's red card, there was luck in their equaliser as goalkeeper Craig Gordon misjudged a Schone free-kick.

When it was put to him after the game, De Boer would not acknowledge that his team failed to create any intricacy in central areas during that game and insisted that their wing-heavy gameplan was fine.

'We were waiting for the equaliser,' he said. 'It's not the cross that you have to finish but sometimes the ball drops well for you. I'm satisfied with how things went.'

When Ajax are 2-1 down in their stadium against 10 men, having completely dominated possession, it is hard to believe that they should feel happy about "waiting" on a lucky goal, especially when they have relied upon one futile attacking style throughout the game."

--

"Truly, if De Boer genuinely believes Sunday’s opponents were ultra-defensive and that Ajax deserved to win, he is delusional. Hopefully he is just lying for the cameras.

This is typical of the coach this season – he is completely unwilling to acknowledge the failings of his strategy and his team. Excuses such as the age of his squad, defensive nature of opponents and bad luck have been used this term. De Boer has the luxury this time around of being able to improve on his team. No first team regulars left during the summer, while Nemanja Gudelj was signed from AZ and Mitchell Dijks returned when he was bought back from Willem II."

--

"The visitors’ strategy on Sunday seemed to hinge on right winger Anwar El Ghazi beating defenders in one-on-ones, but with him completely isolated, he found himself faced with a line of three defenders at times. The same went for Amin Younes on the left. Arek Milik’s movement was non-existent, while Davy Klaassen failed to make many connections with team-mates in advanced areas. For a team centred around a passing philosophy, the only way they were going to get through the back line was by individual quality."

 

[Number_25]

Starting off afresh after a dissapointing time for most clubs is a difficult proposition.

Tentitive names are seemingly put into the bookies hat at random.

Even the most level headed of Evertonians can get caught up in the medias over reporting.

Very few of us are able to keep calm at times like this.

Even with this being said, it's now a testing time for our new board.


Evertonians expect a certain degree of ambition with every decision going forward, and the board must meet those aspirations.

Very few of us would be happy with a manager with no top-level experience.

Although, I believe that we as a club should do our best to appoint someone that can develop their own experience as they build our club.

Not everyone will agree, but this is what makes this website so great. The discussion!

Statements expected soon!

 

[ianefc]

I like him!

I know nothing about him, I'm worried by what a good chunk of Ajax fans are saying about him.

 

[AaronTheBlue]

Here's a bunch of quotes I found. From both fans and media, all the last two years and mostly before they lost this year's title:



"There's De Boer's general resentment towards pressing, attacking football. Worst of all is the complete rejection of Jonk, and by extension Cruijff's whole vision. De Boer has gone from being the man who freed us from Jol's horrible football by playing youngsters in attacking, nice football, to the man who plays mediocre players in a system that's scared of passing or dribbling forward, and claims we need more physicality and mentality, rather than the things that actually made Ajax football great."

--

"Our inability to create anything isn't due to the quality of our players. A lot of our players proved in the Eredivisie that they were capable of doing far better than they play at Ajax, and most of our players are still of a higher quality than 90% of the players in the Eredivisie. Yet we get dominated by teams like Dordrecht, Cambuur. The reason is our constant passing from centrebacks to our backs. Watch old clips of Ajax, and you'll see the centrebacks always looking forward, always dribbling in to the midfield to create a man more situation. Veltman did this in his first season in the team a lot as well. Nowadays the only way our attacks start is with the ball in Boilesen's or Van Rhijn's feet, having to start an attack from their own backline. Because of our centreback's fear of dribbling/passing in to the midfield, our DM is required to drop back too much (think Poulsen last season), essentially removing the link between defense and midfield, meaning that the only option left is a pass to the backs, or a long ball forward."

--

"I could tolerate the football we've been playing more if it actually produced results in the big games or in Europe."

--

(in response to the 4 league titles) "If you are an Ajax fan you expect quality entertaining football and the last two years it has been dreary slow, a lot of passing with no end product. Ajax is winning but not in style and only against weaker teams and not the big important matches." "But it's not just about our position, which we have gained this season against (will all due respect) small teams. The championships were only part of the main goal to be more competitive internationally. And on that front we failed year after year."

--

(in response to him being linked to us) "Prepare to be bored everton fans. He's like LVG in that he loves to pass around without any real threat." "He absolutely isn't a good manager." "He's a poor man's Wenger. Stale possession, very prone to counterattacks. He'll get found out in the Premier league."

--

"However, last season, with his team slow, lacking creativity and any effectiveness whatsoever, his solution was to simply thrust the underperforming Lasse Schone into that role, leaving summer signing Richairo Zivkovic out of the squad despite impressing for Groningen the previous year. It was a decision which never looked like working and it never did. He soon went back to throwing on central defender Mike van der Hoorn to play up front towards the end of matches as Ajax scrambled for points."

--

"Against Celtic in the Europa League, he started with Klaassen up front, even though the 22-year-old is the absolute star of the midfield. Lining up against a very defensive Scottish side in the Amsterdam Arena, they were severely lacking direction in the middle of the park and relied heavily on crosses, making 33 of them in 90 minutes. Ajax trailed 2-0 to Celtic and, although they came back to earn a point after Emilio Izaguirre's red card, there was luck in their equaliser as goalkeeper Craig Gordon misjudged a Schone free-kick.

When it was put to him after the game, De Boer would not acknowledge that his team failed to create any intricacy in central areas during that game and insisted that their wing-heavy gameplan was fine.

'We were waiting for the equaliser,' he said. 'It's not the cross that you have to finish but sometimes the ball drops well for you. I'm satisfied with how things went.'

When Ajax are 2-1 down in their stadium against 10 men, having completely dominated possession, it is hard to believe that they should feel happy about "waiting" on a lucky goal, especially when they have relied upon one futile attacking style throughout the game."

--

"Truly, if De Boer genuinely believes Sunday’s opponents were ultra-defensive and that Ajax deserved to win, he is delusional. Hopefully he is just lying for the cameras.

This is typical of the coach this season – he is completely unwilling to acknowledge the failings of his strategy and his team. Excuses such as the age of his squad, defensive nature of opponents and bad luck have been used this term. De Boer has the luxury this time around of being able to improve on his team. No first team regulars left during the summer, while Nemanja Gudelj was signed from AZ and Mitchell Dijks returned when he was bought back from Willem II."

--

"The visitors’ strategy on Sunday seemed to hinge on right winger Anwar El Ghazi beating defenders in one-on-ones, but with him completely isolated, he found himself faced with a line of three defenders at times. The same went for Amin Younes on the left. Arek Milik’s movement was non-existent, while Davy Klaassen failed to make many connections with team-mates in advanced areas. For a team centred around a passing philosophy, the only way they were going to get through the back line was by individual quality."

you will find the same type of quotes about 99% of managers who are leaving, we did the same for moyes.

 

[Jags..class]

If Frank is pleading for the job them taht means we haven't even sounded him out yet unless we haven't even started creating a short list yet

 

[hetion]

you will find the same type of quotes about 99% of managers who are leaving, we did the same for moyes.

Vast majority are from well before there were any hints about him leaving.

Edit: do you think you'd find any quotes like that about Koeman from Soton fans? And the above is genuinely the consensus over the last two years, feel free to do some research yourself. I haven't just cherrypicked.

 

[ianefc]

Here's a bunch of quotes I found. From both fans and media, all the last two years and mostly before they lost this year's title:



"There's De Boer's general resentment towards pressing, attacking football. Worst of all is the complete rejection of Jonk, and by extension Cruijff's whole vision. De Boer has gone from being the man who freed us from Jol's horrible football by playing youngsters in attacking, nice football, to the man who plays mediocre players in a system that's scared of passing or dribbling forward, and claims we need more physicality and mentality, rather than the things that actually made Ajax football great."

--

"Our inability to create anything isn't due to the quality of our players. A lot of our players proved in the Eredivisie that they were capable of doing far better than they play at Ajax, and most of our players are still of a higher quality than 90% of the players in the Eredivisie. Yet we get dominated by teams like Dordrecht, Cambuur. The reason is our constant passing from centrebacks to our backs. Watch old clips of Ajax, and you'll see the centrebacks always looking forward, always dribbling in to the midfield to create a man more situation. Veltman did this in his first season in the team a lot as well. Nowadays the only way our attacks start is with the ball in Boilesen's or Van Rhijn's feet, having to start an attack from their own backline. Because of our centreback's fear of dribbling/passing in to the midfield, our DM is required to drop back too much (think Poulsen last season), essentially removing the link between defense and midfield, meaning that the only option left is a pass to the backs, or a long ball forward."

--

"I could tolerate the football we've been playing more if it actually produced results in the big games or in Europe."

--

(in response to the 4 league titles) "If you are an Ajax fan you expect quality entertaining football and the last two years it has been dreary slow, a lot of passing with no end product. Ajax is winning but not in style and only against weaker teams and not the big important matches." "But it's not just about our position, which we have gained this season against (will all due respect) small teams. The championships were only part of the main goal to be more competitive internationally. And on that front we failed year after year."

--

(in response to him being linked to us) "Prepare to be bored everton fans. He's like LVG in that he loves to pass around without any real threat." "He absolutely isn't a good manager." "He's a poor man's Wenger. Stale possession, very prone to counterattacks. He'll get found out in the Premier league."

--

"However, last season, with his team slow, lacking creativity and any effectiveness whatsoever, his solution was to simply thrust the underperforming Lasse Schone into that role, leaving summer signing Richairo Zivkovic out of the squad despite impressing for Groningen the previous year. It was a decision which never looked like working and it never did. He soon went back to throwing on central defender Mike van der Hoorn to play up front towards the end of matches as Ajax scrambled for points."

--

"Against Celtic in the Europa League, he started with Klaassen up front, even though the 22-year-old is the absolute star of the midfield. Lining up against a very defensive Scottish side in the Amsterdam Arena, they were severely lacking direction in the middle of the park and relied heavily on crosses, making 33 of them in 90 minutes. Ajax trailed 2-0 to Celtic and, although they came back to earn a point after Emilio Izaguirre's red card, there was luck in their equaliser as goalkeeper Craig Gordon misjudged a Schone free-kick.

When it was put to him after the game, De Boer would not acknowledge that his team failed to create any intricacy in central areas during that game and insisted that their wing-heavy gameplan was fine.

'We were waiting for the equaliser,' he said. 'It's not the cross that you have to finish but sometimes the ball drops well for you. I'm satisfied with how things went.'

When Ajax are 2-1 down in their stadium against 10 men, having completely dominated possession, it is hard to believe that they should feel happy about "waiting" on a lucky goal, especially when they have relied upon one futile attacking style throughout the game."

--

"Truly, if De Boer genuinely believes Sunday’s opponents were ultra-defensive and that Ajax deserved to win, he is delusional. Hopefully he is just lying for the cameras.

This is typical of the coach this season – he is completely unwilling to acknowledge the failings of his strategy and his team. Excuses such as the age of his squad, defensive nature of opponents and bad luck have been used this term. De Boer has the luxury this time around of being able to improve on his team. No first team regulars left during the summer, while Nemanja Gudelj was signed from AZ and Mitchell Dijks returned when he was bought back from Willem II."

--

"The visitors’ strategy on Sunday seemed to hinge on right winger Anwar El Ghazi beating defenders in one-on-ones, but with him completely isolated, he found himself faced with a line of three defenders at times. The same went for Amin Younes on the left. Arek Milik’s movement was non-existent, while Davy Klaassen failed to make many connections with team-mates in advanced areas. For a team centred around a passing philosophy, the only way they were going to get through the back line was by individual quality."

It's really worrying if it's him, we are at such a crucial stage, 1 bad move from the board and we could be in a relegation battle.