Next manager discussion (poll reset 21/05/2016)

[The Blue Watch]

Not a big fan of the way in which De Boer whores himself out to be honest.

I would imagine it puts plenty of club owners off him and rightly so.

 

[jceverton]

He acknowledged his talent yes, and I think he was right to criticise him. However, his treatment of him in the second half of the season was ridiculous.

And, correct me if I'm wrong, but did he not have quite a public falling out with the Valencia board?

Let's get it straight though, I think he's a very good manager. But do you really think in his mind the next step would be Everton?

You're overestimating our own current stature within the European game if you don't think Emery wouldn't think himself capable of taking a bigger step...

Delofleu was on loan, he clearly couldn't or wouldn't fit in with what the manager wanted so he left him out. Judging by this season I can't see any real improvement on his weak points. He can't even last a full 90 minutes. Emery is demanding of his players but he's also a very good man manager. Here's a comment from a Valencia fans blog on Banega: "Banega who was to be let go after drinking and staying late too much became a different person and player under the guidance of Emery. In fact he became so good that he was irreplaceable in the midfield and helped guide Valencia to 3rd position in the league." That's the Banega that Koeman was managing.

I'm not aware of any big falling out with the board. The Valencia fans are very demanding, even worse than Real Madrid, they wanted him out because he couldn't get higher than 3rd but he had to sell his best players and try and compete with Barcelona and Real Madrid. He's their longest serving manager in 40 years.

Here's some more quotes from that Valencia blog: "Emery's first season and he faced huge problems with players not getting payed and mounting pressure from all sides as Valencia's future was not even certain at that point. He had to work with the youthful Mata, the emerging Silva and with shattered spirits of the remaining veterans at Valencia.
Somehow amid all the chaos Unai Emery managed to regulate the sporting department and steer the club slowly but steadily to 6th place finish in the standings and allowed Valencia to go to the Uefa cup.

The season was hard and conditions were bad, the club was in meltdown, but the players with Emery at the helm managed to get to the respectable 6th place finish, an incredible feature if you ask me at that point in time, with Mata playing his best season than looking from this point of time and the continuity of several of Valencia's veterans int the next season."

He did all of this when he was 37/38 years old, which is why I'm confident he'd be able to handle the situation in the Premier League.

Do I think he'd come? Well I think he might but surely the most important thing is to aim high and try, if he says no then you haven't lost anything.

What concerns me about the 4 names being mentioned is that I get the impression that they've approached us not the other way round.

 

[jceverton]

Looking at Koeman as a manager and he has done a great job at the Saints I have an issue. He has managed 8 Clubs and only stayed more than 1 season at 3 of those.

That's because he wasn't doing a very good job at most of those clubs.

 

[BlueToff]

Delofleu was on loan, he clearly couldn't or wouldn't fit in with what the manager wanted so he left him out. Judging by this season I can't see any real improvement on his weak points. He can't even last a full 90 minutes. Emery is demanding of his players but he's also a very good man manager. Here's a comment from a Valencia fans blog on Banega: "Banega who was to be let go after drinking and staying late too much became a different person and player under the guidance of Emery. In fact he became so good that he was irreplaceable in the midfield and helped guide Valencia to 3rd position in the league." That's the Banega that Koeman was managing.

I'm not aware of any big falling out with the board. The Valencia fans are very demanding, even worse than Real Madrid, they wanted him out because he couldn't get higher than 3rd but he had to sell his best players and try and compete with Barcelona and Real Madrid. He's their longest serving manager in 40 years.

Here's some more quotes from that Valencia blog: "Emery's first season and he faced huge problems with players not getting payed and mounting pressure from all sides as Valencia's future was not even certain at that point. He had to work with the youthful Mata, the emerging Silva and with shattered spirits of the remaining veterans at Valencia.
Somehow amid all the chaos Unai Emery managed to regulate the sporting department and steer the club slowly but steadily to 6th place finish in the standings and allowed Valencia to go to the Uefa cup.

The season was hard and conditions were bad, the club was in meltdown, but the players with Emery at the helm managed to get to the respectable 6th place finish, an incredible feature if you ask me at that point in time, with Mata playing his best season than looking from this point of time and the continuity of several of Valencia's veterans int the next season."

He did all of this when he was 37/38 years old, which is why I'm confident he'd be able to handle the situation in the Premier League.

Do I think he'd come? Well I think he might but surely the most important thing is to aim high and try, if he says no then you haven't lost anything.

What concerns me about the 4 names being mentioned is that I get the impression that they've approached us not the other way round.

Fair play on your argument made, mate. Emery is a top manager who would be a great fit. Personally couldn't see him coming but you're right it would be nice to try.

He's an icon at Sevilla atm though and, for what it's worth, his La Liga performances aren't the best. I know they've got Europa and a Cup final to come, but we haven't next season and I know Sevilla fans are unhappy that they haven't been able to break into the top four considering Villarreal, Celta and Athletic have all been above them, not to mention Valencia's poor form.

Personally, I also don't think he'd come here as he will see himself being able to go to a 'bigger' club soon enough, but maybe I am being overly pessimistic.

As for the bit in bold, I can say with some certainty that this isn't the case.

We've been having bits and bats of discussions for a while, with several different managers, and we reached out to most if not all of them.

 

[Thomasc]

I'd have a three man shortlist:

Jose > De Boer > Koeman

Start at Jose, if he says no, he says no but start at the top and work down. Make sure you get one of the three.

I'd be made up with any of those three, obviously the higher the list the better but I wouldn't go for anyone other than those.

Jose would be short-term yes, but fantastic for those couple of years.
De Boer over Koeman for me, as I reckon Frank is more long-term than Koeman. Can't see Koeman sticking around for five or so years, just get the impression he's waiting on something else all the time.

i concur, happy with any of those 3 and Koeman over De Boer for me just because of what he has already done with Saints.

 

[BlueToff]

That's because he wasn't doing a very good job at most of those clubs.

Won two titles at Ajax and the cup. Won the cup at Benfica (expected I know), won the title at PSV, won the Copa with Valencia at a time when the club was in a bit of a state though his league performance was poor. Learned from his mistakes to make a success of himself in the Prem in his first job here.

Not exactly shabby.

 

[ted45]

Ronald DeBoer just "interviewed" by that weapon Brazil on Talkshite .

When he could get a word in edgeways he said " Frank is interested if Everton are interested " and "Denis ( Bergkamp ) will be staying at Ajax - "he doesn't travel !" was his attempt at humour.

He went on to talk about what Koeman or his brother could do at Goodison.

Reading between the lines he was telling us ( I think ) that Koeman is first choice and his brother was back up plan.

Surely the recruitment procedure is more sophisticated than ' he's interested if they are....etc'. Talks have been ongoing with candidates for a long time (we're led to believe) and we must down to a short list. I imagine that the board will have started by looking at available prospects ie managers who will be available at the end of the season. There are three strong candidates in this category and surely, these will have been checked out well before Martinez was sacked. If no decision could be made at that stage the board must have begun a fresh search ie managers currently employed. And, that I suspect, is where we are up to at present. Rumours will be flying around but if there one thing our board is good at is keeping their cards pretty close to their chest.

 

[DualityNSNO]

Won two titles at Ajax and the cup. Won the cup at Benfica (expected I know), won the title at PSV, won the Copa with Valencia at a time when the club was in a bit of a state though his league performance was poor. Learned from his mistakes to make a success of himself in the Prem in his first job here.

Not exactly shabby.

It wasn't expected, the expectancy was the title, and he failed to get that in a 3 horse race, coming in 3rd. And during his Valencia days pretty much all the players spoke out against him, his methods, an his tactics...

 

[Timak]

It is always hard to judge managers without knowing the set up they are working in.

I've seen people praising Koeman for his Southampton signings but they operate a system where the club chooses the players and the manager just has a veto.

I really think it is time to change to the first team coach / club run everything else model.

 

[jceverton]

Fair play on your argument made, mate. Emery is a top manager who would be a great fit. Personally couldn't see him coming but you're right it would be nice to try.

He's an icon at Sevilla atm though and, for what it's worth, his La Liga performances aren't the best. I know they've got Europa and a Cup final to come, but we haven't next season and I know Sevilla fans are unhappy that they haven't been able to break into the top four considering Villarreal, Celta and Athletic have all been above them, not to mention Valencia's poor form.

Personally, I also don't think he'd come here as he will see himself being able to go to a 'bigger' club soon enough, but maybe I am being overly pessimistic.

As for the bit in bold, I can say with some certainty that this isn't the case.

We've been having bits and bats of discussions for a while, with several different managers, and we reached out to most if not all of them.

But we don't appear to have reached out to Emery and that for me would be a concern, given his ability and record. The problem that Emery has at Sevilla is the same as he had at Valencia, he has to sell his best players. So a negative net spend at Sevilla of £83 million. Difficult to break into the top 4 with a constant turnover of your players and having to integrate them into the team. I think it was 18 players one year, 11 another. If he had some money to spend and some stability I think he'd do a fantastic job here. Be nice if the club at least had a discussion with him.

 

[BlueToff]

It wasn't expected, the expectancy was the title, and he failed to get that in a 3 horse race, coming in 3rd. And during his Valencia days pretty much all the players spoke out against him, his methods, an his tactics...

Well, it was expected that they won something. That was my point - I was actually agreeing with you.

And yes, I know, I've read up on it. However, it was 8 years ago.

Eight years ago we were regularly finishing 5th and Liverpool were regularly getting into the last four of the Champions League. It's a long time ago...

 

[BlueToff]

But we don't appear to have reached out to Emery and that for me would be a concern, given his ability and record. The problem that Emery has at Sevilla is the same as he had at Valencia, he has to sell his best players. So a negative net spend at Sevilla of £83 million. Difficult to break into the top 4 with a constant turnover of your players and having to integrate them into the team. I think it was 18 players one year, 11 another. If he had some money to spend and some stability I think he'd do a fantastic job here. Be nice if the club at least had a discussion with him.

Most likely mate it'd be down to the fact that he simply isn't available, or that it's well known he is been lined up by a bigger club. Juventus and Roma are the names that keep cropping up.

You're presuming we haven't when nobody really knows.

 

[DualityNSNO]

Well, it was expected that they won something. That was my point - I was actually agreeing with you.

And yes, I know, I've read up on it. However, it was 8 years ago.

Eight years ago we were regularly finishing 5th and Liverpool were regularly getting into the last four of the Champions League. It's a long time ago...

Fair enough like, didn't mean it to sound, er, as an attack or something anyway.

I also wrote my reply and then realised we are essentially talking about the same thing from the other thread lol

 

[Blue Cheese]

Andy Gray saying Mark Hughes, sorry but just NO!!

 

[Onwards Evertonians]

Andy Gray talking on Talksport thinks we should go with Mark hughes, I wish you could email slaps.