Ken Whisenhunt fired by the Titans.
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I like him, but the Cardinals have been better without him. Still, not sure he's ever had a good/healthy QB to work with.
Was listening to Bill Simmons podcast this morning, he said Whisenhunt was like 4-46 in his last 50 games. Madness.
Just seems like a kneejerk move. They were poo last season. Marriota was looking promising until he got hurt. Seems like he would have been given a longer rope.
If anyone deserves the early ax it's Tomsula. That team is in complete disarray and he just seems massively out of his depth as an NFL head coach.
His first press conference...what an entertaining train wreck.
I guess all sports are alike in that only a few coaches/managers are really great. Many are good and should be given time (like Coughlin); I think Wisenhunt is probably good. But nearly half are completely terrible and should go sooner rather than later. I've not watched Tomsula, but he may be in this group.
Tomsula is good at sweating...that's about it.
You have an obsessive hatred of my team, were you hurt in the past? Let it go and the sun will be brighter.
You have an obsessive hatred of my team, were you hurt in the past? Let it go and the sun will be brighter.
Well I do live in Niner country and am a Seahawks fan, so I hope you can appreciate that.
If anyone watched his first press conference and said 'yes, that's the man for the job' they were in denial or taking the piss.
He seems like a good man who is incredibly out of his depth.
Pats need secondary help, pairing the McCourty twins together would be great.
Colts would claim some form of cheating though.
Been a fan since 82 and totally agree with you, nice man, no head coach and was concerned from day one. Feel something not right behind the scenes with the Yorkes and GM. Kap benched has for all intents and purposes finished the season unless they trade, for who I ain't got a clue. Ps. I really like cheese.
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I listen to the local sports talk radio show on my morning/afternoon commute to and from work. So I get a good 2.5 hours of it everyday in total. Besides most of my friends are 49er fans.
The locals are NOT happy and haven't been since Harbaugh was fired. Actually even before that. I think the tipping point for the locals was last Thanksgiving when Seattle came into Santa Clara and dominated the 49ers and afterward Jed York sent that nasty tweet out. It confirmed the behind the scenes rumors that had been flying around about the rift between Harbaugh and Jed/Baalke.
I think you are absolutely right there is something not right behind the scenes. My gut feeling is Jed York is destroying a once great franchise. It's looking more and more like he picked Harbaugh (not a yes man) to coach the team back into relevance in order to get their new stadium built. Once the business was done with the stadium it was time to find the next yes man.
It's amazing what good ownership can do for a team. As a lifelong (and franchise long, 1976) fan of the Seahawks, I've been through three owners. The Nordstrom family got the franchise going...and in less than years we were making the playoffs, lost an AFC Championship game (1984), and generally things were going well. They sold the team to Ken Behring in 1988. He led the franchise through the darkest years we've had, and even tried to move the team. Thankfully Paul Allen stepped in and bought the team from that swindler. Since then we've won a Super Bowl, made it to 2 others, won the division 8 times, and made the playoffs a total of 10 times.
Anyway TL;DR.
njligernj
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tl;dr on an NFL team in London warning ...
Sure ... although that said almost any attempt to "localize" the product is usually met with horror and rejection from both English NFL fans in the UK and American football/soccer fans in the US because nobody actually wants to be treated differently even though they are different.
Sure but he's also super keen on a UK franchise and doesn't understand the ideal gas law so using Goodell as an example for anything other than "most over-paid person in the world" is not typically a good idea.
It's hardly "unfathomable" when we almost moved to Kirkby ... I was strongly opposed to the Kikrby move FWIW but I can quite easily fathom it as an idea (unfortunately). (I'm aware of the distance from SF to Santa Clara being larger than Liverpool city centre to the Kirkby location however you have to do some adjustment for the size of the US -- if they had the same catchment area for sports as the UK they'd have 1,000 teams in the NFL).
Granted it is "different" -- in that things are more spaced out in N. America and having a stadium inside certain down-town city centres would actually be a negative for some fans because it's far easier to get to a location in a less built up area than down-town. That is just a fact of N.A. v. the UK though -- while true I'm not convinced it really relates to this particular topic that closely (more on this later).
That seems a tad disingenuous.
Obviously a home town team based in your country is different than just the Jacksonville Jaguars showing up ... again!
If your concern is that people won't travel because "it's a London team and I'm from Manchester so forget it" well it's a concern ... but the population of London is larger than the population of any NFL franchise's host city (London is higher than NYC by latest Googling).
I'm not sure you have any evidence that the fact people are used to a footie team being local means an NFL team in London can't work for anyone but those in London. Frankly anyone overly worried about aspects like that likely isn't giving "yank rugby" the time of day in the first place.
I have lived in US cities where they didn't have a team and/or there are lots of people moving to the area from away (like Florida, California etc.). The barrier of getting those people to give up their childhood teams from "back home" to support the local team is IMMENSE. I can't emphasize how much some teams struggle with this in the US. It's why many people claim LA doesn't work: too many people who won't give up their childhood teams to support an LA team.
It's also an issue for a London team but it's either the same or less of an effect (because someone who picked a team when they were 22 is [on average] going to be easier to convert than those who had a home-town team from childhood).
Fact of the matter is when they first talked about this I was told the one game in the UK was a guaranteed failure. It'd kind of work for a while then die.
When they expanded the London games I was told by all the people who were wrong about the one game that 2-3+ is a guaranteed failure.
Almost everyone on the internet -- both UK and US fans -- have been convinced (in the majority) that every single step of the NFL in the UK was certain to fail. They are also (in the majority) very emotional about it as a concept and likely their negative perception of it as an idea is impacting their view of reality. Not painting you with this brush; just stating a fact that I have yet to encounter anyone able to rationally and logically discuss the idea of the NFL having a team in the UK due to their overwhelmingly negative perception of the concept.
So naturally I am suspect when all those same people say "well sure I was wrong about one game, and sure I was wrong about three games, but eight games?!?!?"
Okay but the NFL (home) season is eight games. 8. It's not like asking someone to follow a football team home and away ... 8 home games is pretty much the lowest time investment you can have season ticket wise for a sport.
Also everyone talks about fans as if the NFL needs fans.
Don't forget even in the US they only sell about <30-40k tics to actual human fans -- the rest go to corporations. If the NFL can get London businesses to buy up half the seats like they do in most major US cities (where their fans crow about attendance as if having half the Fortune 500 based in your city makes you good fans) then this isn't even a challenge.
Sure ... although that said almost any attempt to "localize" the product is usually met with horror and rejection from both English NFL fans in the UK and American football/soccer fans in the US because nobody actually wants to be treated differently even though they are different.
Sure but he's also super keen on a UK franchise and doesn't understand the ideal gas law so using Goodell as an example for anything other than "most over-paid person in the world" is not typically a good idea.
It's hardly "unfathomable" when we almost moved to Kirkby ... I was strongly opposed to the Kikrby move FWIW but I can quite easily fathom it as an idea (unfortunately). (I'm aware of the distance from SF to Santa Clara being larger than Liverpool city centre to the Kirkby location however you have to do some adjustment for the size of the US -- if they had the same catchment area for sports as the UK they'd have 1,000 teams in the NFL).
Granted it is "different" -- in that things are more spaced out in N. America and having a stadium inside certain down-town city centres would actually be a negative for some fans because it's far easier to get to a location in a less built up area than down-town. That is just a fact of N.A. v. the UK though -- while true I'm not convinced it really relates to this particular topic that closely (more on this later).
That seems a tad disingenuous.
Obviously a home town team based in your country is different than just the Jacksonville Jaguars showing up ... again!
If your concern is that people won't travel because "it's a London team and I'm from Manchester so forget it" well it's a concern ... but the population of London is larger than the population of any NFL franchise's host city (London is higher than NYC by latest Googling).
I'm not sure you have any evidence that the fact people are used to a footie team being local means an NFL team in London can't work for anyone but those in London. Frankly anyone overly worried about aspects like that likely isn't giving "yank rugby" the time of day in the first place.
I have lived in US cities where they didn't have a team and/or there are lots of people moving to the area from away (like Florida, California etc.). The barrier of getting those people to give up their childhood teams from "back home" to support the local team is IMMENSE. I can't emphasize how much some teams struggle with this in the US. It's why many people claim LA doesn't work: too many people who won't give up their childhood teams to support an LA team.
It's also an issue for a London team but it's either the same or less of an effect (because someone who picked a team when they were 22 is [on average] going to be easier to convert than those who had a home-town team from childhood).
Fact of the matter is when they first talked about this I was told the one game in the UK was a guaranteed failure. It'd kind of work for a while then die.
When they expanded the London games I was told by all the people who were wrong about the one game that 2-3+ is a guaranteed failure.
Almost everyone on the internet -- both UK and US fans -- have been convinced (in the majority) that every single step of the NFL in the UK was certain to fail. They are also (in the majority) very emotional about it as a concept and likely their negative perception of it as an idea is impacting their view of reality. Not painting you with this brush; just stating a fact that I have yet to encounter anyone able to rationally and logically discuss the idea of the NFL having a team in the UK due to their overwhelmingly negative perception of the concept.
So naturally I am suspect when all those same people say "well sure I was wrong about one game, and sure I was wrong about three games, but eight games?!?!?"
Okay but the NFL (home) season is eight games. 8. It's not like asking someone to follow a football team home and away ... 8 home games is pretty much the lowest time investment you can have season ticket wise for a sport.
Also everyone talks about fans as if the NFL needs fans.
Don't forget even in the US they only sell about <30-40k tics to actual human fans -- the rest go to corporations. If the NFL can get London businesses to buy up half the seats like they do in most major US cities (where their fans crow about attendance as if having half the Fortune 500 based in your city makes you good fans) then this isn't even a challenge.
Twingate!
SweetJesus849
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Would agree wholeheartedly. Especially when the same team had been together for so long, and clearly had talent, yet no one else really realised it. Mike Nolan panicked when Alex Smith got injured first time and threw him under the bus big time, then Mike Singletary just never had it. All of a sudden Jim Harbaugh comes along and we're a couple of dropped punts from the Super Bowl in his first season.
Last season it felt like before EVERY game there'd be a story about Jim Harbaugh being in negotiations with Michigan or there were rumours about him being hard to deal with and this that and the other, right on game day. Great preparation. Then Harbaugh came out and said "I didn't feel like I left the 49ers, I felt like the 49ers hierarchy left me", which was obviously completely true. It had nothing to do with what went on, on the field.
The way it was handled was ridiculous, but the way the top brass has handled everything since 2012 has been horrible. As for Jim Tomsula, whether he is truly out of his depth remains to be seen but he's inherited a complete mess any way you look at it, and the people who are mostly responsible for it are still there as his superiors. I think we'll end up looking back and saying he was doomed to fail from the off.
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