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Oumar Niasse

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sharkey1001 said:
Can we have a poll as to how well or poorly Niasse will do? Voting options are old players:

1. Daniel Amokachi - generally poor but gave us a few memorable bits of magic.
2. James Beattie - starts off very slow, becomes decent, then just when we think he is going to kick on, he regresses.
3. Alex Nyarko. Say no more. key-unt.
4. James McFadden - played constantly out of position on the wing, generally poor, looks decent when played upfront though.
5. Denis Straqualarsi - becomes a fans favourite despite, or for being, so [Poor language removed].
6. Andy Gray. Becomes a beast and a legend.
7. Per Kroldrup. Plays less than 10 games, is forgotten and is sold on for a nominal fee.
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8. Preki.....what was that all about?

9. Ibn Tal.....cringe

10. Andy van the man.....too fat

11. Royston Drenthe......bellend

12. Ginola/Gazza/Blomquist.....retirement village signings

13. Lars Jacobsen....actually played in a Cup Final for us

14. Ian Wilson (there's one for the teenagers)

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sharkey1001 said:
Can we have a poll as to how well or poorly Niasse will do? Voting options are old players:

1. Daniel Amokachi - generally poor but gave us a few memorable bits of magic.
2. James Beattie - starts off very slow, becomes decent, then just when we think he is going to kick on, he regresses.
3. Alex Nyarko. Say no more. key-unt.
4. James McFadden - played constantly out of position on the wing, generally poor, looks decent when played upfront though.
5. Denis Straqualarsi - becomes a fans favourite despite, or for being, so [Poor language removed].
6. Andy Gray. Becomes a beast and a legend.
7. Per Kroldrup. Plays less than 10 games, is forgotten and is sold on for a nominal fee.
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McFadden at no point ever looked decent.
 
b-rad said:
1) He might still not be fully fit
2) He is lacking match practice
3) He hasn't adapted to the pace of the PL yet
4) He has his price tag hanging over his head
5) He is coming in to a team with no confidence
6) He is coming off the bench trying to make an impact rather than being part of a starting lineup where he fits in well
7) He's just not very good

Any of these may or may not lead to a bad performance or two. If four or five of the above apply then the effects will multiply and explain the performances we have briefly seen so far.

He could be terrible, sure. Let's see next season though.
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The ONLY even remotely valid one right now is 6. Then there are massive questions about the other ones, such as 'if he's not match fit went the hell isn't he even playing for the u21s?'
 
riddick said:
The ONLY even remotely valid one right now is 6. Then there are massive questions about the other ones, such as 'if he's not match fit went the hell isn't he even playing for the u21s?'
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I didn't mean to suggest that all are definitely the case, just that these are all possible explanations and many of them can be overcome in time.
 

b-rad said:
I didn't mean to suggest that all are definitely the case, just that these are all possible explanations and many of them can be overcome in time.
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you're missing my point. here, I'll run down the list:

1) He might still not be fully fit- Its more than TWO MONTHS LATER! It's longer than a preseason at this point. He's a professional fn footballer.
2) He is lacking match practice- Why not play him with the u21's to get match fitness?
3) He hasn't adapted to the pace of the PL yet- He's not playing, period. You can't get adapted to something if you never experience it.
4) He has his price tag hanging over his head- He's played for ~15 minutes total.
5) He is coming in to a team with no confidence- again, he's not coming in to a team. He's basically MIA.
6) He is coming off the bench trying to make an impact rather than being part of a starting lineup where he fits in well- Agreed kind of.
7) He's just not very good- Could be, Im not going to judge him yet. It's not fair to him.


My point is that for a player over 2 months into his Premier League career, there is a lot of weirdness going on with this transfer.
 
People are making fun of the fact that Oumar dribbles like Hibbert but Lukaku always looks like he's been constipated for 6 months when trying to control it, especially under pressure.
 
riddick said:
you're missing my point. here, I'll run down the list:
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1) He might still not be fully fit- Its more than TWO MONTHS LATER! It's longer than a preseason at this point. He's a professional fn footballer. -- this one is mostly up to him, I grant you. There's no way he should be anything other than fully fit, but do you or I know that isn't contributing to any poor performance?
2) He is lacking match practice- Why not play him with the u21's to get match fitness? -- hardly his fault, is it? He may be begging Bobby for match practice in the U21s but if he's not getting game time, hes's not going to be match fit.
3) He hasn't adapted to the pace of the PL yet- He's not playing, period. You can't get adapted to something if you never experience it. -- Exactly my point. This is an entirely reasonable reason he might not yet put in the performances he might be capable of.
4) He has his price tag hanging over his head- He's played for ~15 minutes total. --not sure the amount of football he has played has got to do with it? Some young players might have the weight of expectation on their shoulders due to the price tag. The good ones should shake that off quickly, or not think about it at all really.
5) He is coming in to a team with no confidence- again, he's not coming in to a team. He's basically MIA. -- he's on the pitch for 15 minutes. What do you expect? Rom couldn't do much better in a whole game and he's worth £60m!
6) He is coming off the bench trying to make an impact rather than being part of a starting lineup where he fits in well- Agreed kind of.
7) He's just not very good- Could be, Im not going to judge him yet. It's not fair to him. --I agree - the reasons I've listed are precisely why we shouldn't judge him yet, but you seem to be disagreeing with those and saying we should be judging him.
 

b-rad said:
1) He might still not be fully fit- Its more than TWO MONTHS LATER! It's longer than a preseason at this point. He's a professional fn footballer. -- this one is mostly up to him, I grant you. There's no way he should be anything other than fully fit, but do you or I know that isn't contributing to any poor performance?
2) He is lacking match practice- Why not play him with the u21's to get match fitness? -- hardly his fault, is it? He may be begging Bobby for match practice in the U21s but if he's not getting game time, hes's not going to be match fit.
3) He hasn't adapted to the pace of the PL yet- He's not playing, period. You can't get adapted to something if you never experience it. -- Exactly my point. This is an entirely reasonable reason he might not yet put in the performances he might be capable of.
4) He has his price tag hanging over his head- He's played for ~15 minutes total. --not sure the amount of football he has played has got to do with it? Some young players might have the weight of expectation on their shoulders due to the price tag. The good ones should shake that off quickly, or not think about it at all really.
5) He is coming in to a team with no confidence- again, he's not coming in to a team. He's basically MIA. -- he's on the pitch for 15 minutes. What do you expect? Rom couldn't do much better in a whole game and he's worth £60m!
6) He is coming off the bench trying to make an impact rather than being part of a starting lineup where he fits in well- Agreed kind of.
7) He's just not very good- Could be, Im not going to judge him yet. It's not fair to him. --I agree - the reasons I've listed are precisely why we shouldn't judge him yet, but you seem to be disagreeing with those and saying we should be judging him.
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*rubs temples*

you're still missing the point. the TRANSFER is very weird. He may turn out to be a world beater. But we spent 13.5m on him and he's absolutely nowhere near a first team spot(and I'd say if we even had a half decent 2nd/3rd striker in our youth team they'd be on the bench instead of him). Even our esteemed manager said he's "only 50-60% fit" then puts him onto the pitch with 3 minutes to go down by a goal.
 
Just been speaking to my uncle, works at Manchester United and his son works as a coach at everton. Said this before and not many have taken notice, however...

He's told me niasse is abolsutely crap. Nowhere near the level we expected. I trust him and thus am no longer looking forward to this acquisition.

Also, the people working inside everton want martinez out. The unrest is actually real, not jarg.

Believe me or not, this is what I've been told.
 
What I liked about Sunday was that he started to at least resemble the player that the videos show. Someone who looks to square up the full back and then use some acceleration and strength to get by.
Remains to be seen whether he has the pace or strength to do this effectively in the PL, but he needs lots more minutes to prove one way or the other.
 
sharkey1001 said:
Can we have a poll as to how well or poorly Niasse will do? Voting options are old players:

1. Daniel Amokachi - generally poor but gave us a few memorable bits of magic.
2. James Beattie - starts off very slow, becomes decent, then just when we think he is going to kick on, he regresses.
3. Alex Nyarko. Say no more. key-unt.
4. James McFadden - played constantly out of position on the wing, generally poor, looks decent when played upfront though.
5. Denis Straqualarsi - becomes a fans favourite despite, or for being, so [Poor language removed].
6. Andy Gray. Becomes a beast and a legend.
7. Per Kroldrup. Plays less than 10 games, is forgotten and is sold on for a nominal fee.
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No prize for guessing what I'm hoping for...
 
mythbuster said:
Think the plan was to buy him in the summer. However, it was deemed wise to get him in early and get his 'adjustment' period out of the way this season.
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I think that's probably now the best-win scenario and what we're all hoping for from Niasse; a player who'll come good after adapting to England.

Well obviously apart from him suddenly being an immense talent during the few remaining games (Amo anyone), but that looks unlikely.

Yet, I can't help feel somewhat unnerved when you consider all the rumours going around and from the small glimpses that what we've seen.

Add to that Martinez's comments about and the fact the Russian league is back up and running although he's still not. We'll just have to see...
 

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