Our next manager?

Who out of this lot?

  • Graham Potter

    Votes: 213 28.9%
  • Thomas Frank

    Votes: 80 10.9%
  • Leighton Baines

    Votes: 37 5.0%
  • Vincent Kompany

    Votes: 13 1.8%
  • Steven Schumacher

    Votes: 53 7.2%
  • Wayne Rooney

    Votes: 46 6.3%
  • Marcelo Bielsa

    Votes: 38 5.2%
  • Christophe Galtier

    Votes: 39 5.3%
  • Pellegrino Matarazzo

    Votes: 6 0.8%
  • Ernesto Valverde

    Votes: 3 0.4%
  • Cheese on scotch egg

    Votes: 208 28.3%

  • Total voters
    736
Based on?
Being a stand in manager about 5 times.
Development coach a few times.
Brentford and Birmingham
Wining the under 21 European nations cup against a strong spain side.
He has a good reputation for coaching within the game.
If we were going to take a gamble he would be worth a go.
Can't see it at the moment thought club needs are not really in a position to go for an untried manager.
 
Potter implemented a completely different type of system at Brighton, one they've pretty much stuck with since - just refined it with more dangerous players.

We are in need of a complete system overhaul, so Potter is a good shout as he's done that exact thing on a budget for a much less attractive team in terms of drawing power, he's also got more to work with initially than he had there. Plays exactly the way we have been crying out to see as well, Brighton were never tika taka more of a hybrid possession counter attacking side imo

Other option would be Carsley, done fantastic work at the unders level for England, very highly rated within the game and seen very much as a progressive thinker, has very much a strong tie to the club and was really liked by the fans, great at working with younger players and seems genuinely liked by those he's worked with.

Negatives to each.

Potter outside of Brighton at a bigger club crumbled under the pressure - how much of what he did was down to Brighton having a really strong structure around him without which he drowned. How much has his self belief in his methods been damaged by his spell.st Chelsea.

Carsley, no experience of management in club football, little experience in coaching etc outside of young players in an international set up, can he handle the very different beast of day to day management and handling not kids but older players. Can he spit talent when it's not just available by proxy.

I'd say on both the positives outright the negative doubts.

Anyone calling for Moyes though, give your head a wobble, two of the driving reasons for wanting rid of Dyche are the horrible negative football (do people remember most of Moyes time here - especially against any top 6-8 side and how we played?) amd his constant bigging up the job he's doing under the circumstances (everybody forgot the knives to gunfights Moyes quotes?)

If we did get Moyes - then every person calling for him now, should stfu permanently about ever criticising the way we play under Dyche, cus you're advocating for the same.

Find the he won the interjokototo cup shouts as a reason to want him funny as f too, the same Moyes who when he left we lambasted for bottling every cup compared going
 
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Being a stand in manager about 5 times.
Development coach a few times.
Brentford and Birmingham
Wining the under 21 European nations cup against a strong spain side.
He has a good reputation for coaching within the game.
If we were going to take a gamble he would be worth a go.
Can't see it at the moment thought club needs are not really in a position to go for an untried manager.

I'll be honest mate, I'd say we are in the perfect situation to go for one whose untried but with huge potential.

Last time we had the choice was Arteta who we hesitated on going for when the chance was there. Instead we went for Ancelloti who stuck with us a season left us lumbered with big name players on huge wages we have only just finished seeing leaving, the Ancelloti hiring ultimately was the nail in the coffin in terns of economic damage to the club or chasing a pipe dream by Moshiri etc.

Sometimes the inexperienced but huge upside choice is better than the experienced proven choice mate.
 

Said it before but people just live in an alternate universe here.

If Dyche were to be sacked, whoever's making the decision isn't going to get a manager who'll rip it up and get us playing free-flowing football when we're at the bottom of the league.

It'll be Moyes as he's free and he'd crawl here to make it happen. It would be the exact same type of football and he makes the same faux-pas' that everyone bemoans Dyche for.

Is he better than Dyche? Yes. Would we make any tangible progress under him without allowing him another decade in charge? No.

Unless the players have completely thrown it in for yet another manager, he'll more than likely keep us up which is the bottom line with our finances. If he does, shake his hand, thank him for essentially running the club on top of managing it in spite of our incompetent previous board and their replacement of literally no-one and go from a clean slate.

Draw a line under the Moshiri era, a whole new season ahead for a new manager and try and make the new ground a place of forward thinking rather than pretending it's still 40 years ago in the 80's.
 
Said it before but people just live in an alternate universe here.

If Dyche were to be sacked, whoever's making the decision isn't going to get a manager who'll rip it up and get us playing free-flowing football when we're at the bottom of the league.

It'll be Moyes as he's free and he'd crawl here to make it happen. It would be the exact same type of football and he makes the same faux-pas' that everyone bemoans Dyche for.

Is he better than Dyche? Yes. Would we make any tangible progress under him without allowing him another decade in charge? No.

Unless the players have completely thrown it in for yet another manager, he'll more than likely keep us up which is the bottom line with our finances. If he does, shake his hand, thank him for essentially running the club on top of managing it in spite of our incompetent previous board and their replacement of literally no-one and go from a clean slate with a whole new season ahead and the new ground.

very sensible
 
I'll be honest mate, I'd say we are in the perfect situation to go for one whose untried but with huge potential.

Last time we had the choice was Arteta who we hesitated on going for when the chance was there. Instead we went for Ancelloti who stuck with us a season left us lumbered with big name players on huge wages we have only just finished seeing leaving, the Ancelloti hiring ultimately was the nail in the coffin in terns of economic damage to the club or chasing a pipe dream by Moshiri etc.

Sometimes the inexperienced but huge upside choice is better than the experienced proven choice mate.

but it’s ( surely got to be the new owners )

to pull the trigger

and IF they’ve got someone who wants to come
 
Potter implemented a completely different type of system at Brighton, one they've pretty much stuck with since - just refined it with more dangerous players.

We are in need of a complete system overhaul, so Potter is a good shout as he's done that exact thing on a budget for a much less attractive team in terms of drawing power, he's also got more to work with initially than he had there. Plays exactly the way we have been crying out to see as well, Brighton were never tika taka more of a hybrid possession counter attacking side imo

Other option would be Carsley, done fantastic work at the unders level for England, very highly rated within the game and seen very much as a progressive thinker, has very much a strong tie to the club and was really liked by the fans, great at working with younger players and seems genuinely liked by those he's worked with.

Negatives to each.

Potter outside of Brighton at a bigger club crumbled under the pressure - how much of what he did was down to Brighton having a really strong structure around him without which he drowned. How much has his self belief in his methods been damaged by his spell.st Chelsea.

Carsley, no experience of management in club football, little experience in coaching etc outside of young players in an international set up, can he handle the very different beast of day to day management and handling not kids but older players. Can he spit talent when it's not just available by proxy.

I'd say on both the positives outright the negative doubts.

Anyone calling for Moyes though, give your head a wobble, two of the driving reasons for wanting rid of Dyche are the horrible negative football (do people remember most of Moyes time here - especially against any top 6-8 side and how we played?) amd his constant bigging up the job he's doing under the circumstances (everybody forgot the knives to gunfights Moyes quotes?)

If we did get Moyes - then every person calling for him now, should stfu permanently about ever criticising the way we play under Dyche, cus you're advocating for the same.

Find the he won the interjokototo cup shouts as a reason to want him funny as f too, the same Moyes who when he left we lambasted for bottling every cup compared going
I think Carsley is ruled out for now. He's auditioning for the England job on a full-time basis.

I would've thought that unlikely if Southgate hadn't made that progression previously. On top of that, there's de la Fuente's success with Spain also suggesting promoting the U21 coach is the thing to do.
 
I think Carsley is ruled out for now. He's auditioning for the England job on a full-time basis.

I would've thought that unlikely if Southgate hadn't made that progression previously. On top of that, there's de la Fuente's success with Spain also suggesting promoting the U21 coach is the thing to do.

I guess if we didn't sound him out we'd never find out mate, would Carsley manage Everton over the chance to take over at England (knowing the treatment any England manager gets if it goes bad) hard one to say as he's obviously attached to the club but has a long history now with the generation of England players in the national side.
 

Being a stand in manager about 5 times.
Development coach a few times.
Brentford and Birmingham
Wining the under 21 European nations cup against a strong spain side.
He has a good reputation for coaching within the game.
If we were going to take a gamble he would be worth a go.
Can't see it at the moment thought club needs are not really in a position to go for an untried manager.

it it’s an experienced then isn’t one to just stay up?

people forget a manager will want more then just wages

we are so so so a calamity
 
but it’s ( surely got to be the new owners )

to pull the trigger

and IF they’ve got someone who wants to come

Kinda yea it does have to be the new owners decision - but I'd say rather it's done not with themselves choosing one but if they keep Thelwell giving him the remit and the backing to choose.

If you have a DoF then let them do their job properly.
 
Potter implemented a completely different type of system at Brighton, one thru e pretty much stuck with since - just refined it with more dangerous players.

We are in need of a complete system overhaul, so Potter is a good shout as he's done that exact thing on a budget for a much less attractive team in terms of drawing power, he's also got more to work with initially than he had there. Plays exactly the way we have been crying out to see as well, Brighton were never tika taka more of a hybrid possession counter attacking side imo

Other option would be Carsley, done fantastic work at the unders level for England, very highly rated within the game and seen very much as a progressive thinker, has very much a strong tie to the club and was really liked by the fans, great at working with younger players and seems genuinely liked by those he's worked with.

Negatives to each.

Potter outside of Brighton at a bigger club crumbled under the pressure - how much of what he did was down to Brighton having a really strong structure around him without which he drowned. How much has his self belief in his methods been damaged by his spell.st Chelsea.

Carsley, no experience of management in club football, little experience in coaching etc outside of young players in an international set up, can he handle the very different beast of day to day management and handling not kids but older players. Can he spit talent when it's not just available by proxy.

I'd say on both the positives outright the negative doubts.

Anyone calling for Moyes though, give your head a wobble, two of the driving reasons for wanting rid of Dyche are the horrible negative football (do people remember most of Moyes time here - especially against any top 6-8 side and how we played?) amd his constant bigging up the job he's doing under the circumstances (everybody forgot the knives to gunfights Moyes quotes?)

If we did get Moyes - then every person calling for him now, should stfu permanently about ever criticising the way we play under Dyche, cus you're advocating for the same.

Find the he won the interjokototo cup shouts as a reason to want him funny as f too, the same Moyes who when he left we lasted for bottling every cup compared going

I am not hostile towards Potter, but a few big question marks.

Now the big question is are Everton's fans willing to give a manager the time to develop something, the fanbase is much more impatient than in Brighton.

Just to say his teams scored 39, 40 and 42 goals and reached 15, 16 and 9. So it took 3 seasons to get his system work. He took over a relegation battling team, as for example Dyche here.

He went 9 games without a win in his first, including games against Sheffield, Watford and Bournemouth. in 19/20
In his 2nd season again, with games not won vs Parker-Fulham or Burnley during the spell.

Then 11 (not won vs Leeds or Norwich) and 7 games (conceded 3 to Dyche Burnley) in the season they got 9th.

No way, he would have survived that here.

His points average is 1.28 in Brighton, while Dyche's is 1.29 here. Dyche reached 1.19 on average, Potter 1.22 on a prem level. The average includes games of Dyche this season, and Potter's 6 games before joining Chelsea.

And to say, Potter is a better manager. I wouldn't think Dyche can lead us into the top half tho...

Basically, Potter went through what gets critized on Dyche a lot, low scoring teams, winless spells combined with good spells even though he's better tactically and his playstyle looks more attractive.
 
it it’s an experienced then isn’t one to just stay up?

people forget a manager will want more then just wages

we are so so so a calamity

Devils advocate tine Matty.

What would we have to offer to a young, progressive thinking manager. At this second in isolation - absolutely nothing.

But part of that managerial type we'd look for is about the young and progressive thinking and you'd hope they could see past the immediate situation and the potential.

Next summer we are moving into a new ground, most likely under new ownership with a lot of the financial issues fading and now manageable.
The squad whilst very small will have almost no remaining bloat for any new manager to have to deal with, wage structure will be in firm footing and with a DoF who hopefully signs in thinking yo the new manager.

Throw in a passionate but battered supporter base, who are desperate to see us actually play footy again (lampard sorry was just too flawed and Silva I think right now we'd have been more patient with having seen FSW and Dyche subsequently, which have ground us down.

A progressive manager I think we'd give time to now if he showed us moving in the right direction in terms of implementing a style of play.
 

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