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Our next manager?

Who out of this lot?

  • Graham Potter

    Votes: 213 28.9%

  • Thomas Frank

    Votes: 80 10.9%

  • Leighton Baines

    Votes: 37 5.0%

  • Vincent Kompany

    Votes: 13 1.8%

  • Steven Schumacher

    Votes: 53 7.2%

  • Wayne Rooney

    Votes: 46 6.3%

  • Marcelo Bielsa

    Votes: 38 5.2%

  • Christophe Galtier

    Votes: 39 5.3%

  • Pellegrino Matarazzo

    Votes: 6 0.8%

  • Ernesto Valverde

    Votes: 3 0.4%

  • Cheese on scotch egg

    Votes: 208 28.3%
  • Total voters
    736
bluestevon said:
I guess if we didn't sound him out we'd never find out mate, would Carsley manage Everton over the chance to take over at England (knowing the treatment any England manager gets if it goes bad) hard one to say as he's obviously attached to the club but has a long history now with the generation of England players in the national side.
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Yeah, I think the chance to take this England squad into a World Cup cycle is probably too good an opportunity to turn down.

We, on the other hand, are looking for a manager every 12 or 18 months. So if it doesn't work out with England, he won't have to wait long for the next Everton vacancy!
 
Delargeinho said:
I am not hostile towards Potter, but a few big question marks.

Now the big question is are Everton's fans willing to give a manager the time to develop something, the fanbase is much more impatient than in Brighton.

Just to say his teams scored 39, 40 and 42 goals and reached 15, 16 and 9. So it took 3 seasons to get his system work. He took over a relegation battling team, as for example Dyche here.

He went 9 games without a win in his first, including games against Sheffield, Watford and Bournemouth. in 19/20
In his 2nd season again, with games not won vs Parker-Fulham or Burnley during the spell.

Then 11 (not won vs Leeds or Norwich) and 7 games (conceded 3 to Dyche Burnley) in the season they got 9th.

No way, he would have survived that here.

His points average is 1.28 in Brighton, while Dyche's is 1.29 here. Dyche reached 1.19 on average, Potter 1.22 on a prem level. The average includes games of Dyche this season, and Potter's 6 games before joining Chelsea.

And to say, Potter is a better manager. I wouldn't think Dyche can lead us into the top half tho...

Basically, Potter went through what gets critized on Dyche a lot, low scoring teams, winless spells combined with good spells.
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The style of play is important though too in how tolerant you can be (we were too knee jerk as a club over Silva btw, Lampard and Bobby - no because not only did results go bad - but the performances had imploded due to complete naivety). Potter whilst having bad runs, struggles to score etc, still played attractive footy and his system wasn't exposed as being horribly flawed say as Bobby's was
 
allen said:
Yeah, I think the chance to take this England squad into a World Cup cycle is probably too good an opportunity to turn down.

We, on the other hand, are looking for a manager every 12 or 18 months. So if it doesn't work out with England, he won't have to wait long for the next Everton vacancy!
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Think you are probably right sadly as think of all the possible options he's the one that could be for us what Arteta has been for Arsenal.
 
The other thing with Potter (and many others) is, with his stock still at a reasonable level - why would he take on a rescue job at a club with no (interested) owner and constrained finances ?
 

CielosGrises said:
The other thing with Potter (and many others) is, with his stock still at a reasonable level - why would he take on a rescue job at a club with no (interested) owner and constrained finances ?
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Potter won't atm as doing so he'd lose out on a huge amount of money as Chelsea are still paying him a ridiculous wage whilst he remains on 'gardening leave'
 
bluestevon said:
The style of play is important though too in how tolerant you can be (we were too knee jerk as a club over Silva btw, Lampard and Bobby - no because not only did results go bad - but the performances had imploded due to complete naivety). Potter whilst having bad runs, struggles to score etc, still played attractive footy and his system wasn't exposed as being horribly flawed say as Bobby's was
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It is, but fans would turn against him quickly here... If he does similar as in Brighton.

You go into the stadium for seeing some kind of attractive football, but doesn't help if you don't achieve results. That's the most important in the end.
 
bluestevon said:
We'd have sacked Kendall in the modern era mate before 84
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Wasn't he at 6 out of 25 games at one time? That's around Dyche from December to now in terms of results.

But he played quite good football here for back then, as England was known for Dycheball.

He did not succeed at Bilbao unfortunately, but was loved for other things...
 

bluestevon said:
Devils advocate tine Matty.

What would we have to offer to a young, progressive thinking manager. At this second in isolation - absolutely nothing.

But part of that managerial type we'd look for is about the young and progressive thinking and you'd hope they could see past the immediate situation and the potential.

Next summer we are moving into a new ground, most likely under new ownership with a lot of the financial issues fading and now manageable.
The squad whilst very small will have almost no remaining bloat for any new manager to have to deal with, wage structure will be in firm footing and with a DoF who hopefully signs in thinking yo the new manager.

Throw in a passionate but battered supporter base, who are desperate to see us actually play footy again (lampard sorry was just too flawed and Silva I think right now we'd have been more patient with having seen FSW and Dyche subsequently, which have ground us down.

A progressive manager I think we'd give time to now if he showed us moving in the right direction in terms of implementing a style of play.
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Quietly I think we have assembled a decent squad full of younger players. I can see a manager thinking he might do ok with them.

And honestly that's the first time I've felt this since at least Ancelotti, and maybe before.

Like it was a really odd game Saturday. It was the first time I've watched us in a while and think we are miles better than a team, and have creativity and balance etc, but also that we don't need a Dyche to keep us up by some miracle. That's a big shift really.

I think a manager mike a young Silva would certainly take a look at us. Look at who we have 25 and under (and appreciate some may only be ok, but a manager may feel he could get more from them).

Mykolenko, O'Brien, Brainthwaite, Patterson, Dixon, Tim, Garner, Armstrong, Lindstrom, Ndiaye, McNeil, Chermiti.

It's a good base at least.
 
bluestevon said:
I guess if we didn't sound him out we'd never find out mate, would Carsley manage Everton over the chance to take over at England (knowing the treatment any England manager gets if it goes bad) hard one to say as he's obviously attached to the club but has a long history now with the generation of England players in the national side.
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One thing with Carsley, would be if you sound him out you sort force the FAs hand. They will either have to commit to him, or say they see him as a temporary option.
 
bluestevon said:
Devils advocate tine Matty.

What would we have to offer to a young, progressive thinking manager. At this second in isolation - absolutely nothing.

But part of that managerial type we'd look for is about the young and progressive thinking and you'd hope they could see past the immediate situation and the potential.

Next summer we are moving into a new ground, most likely under new ownership with a lot of the financial issues fading and now manageable.
The squad whilst very small will have almost no remaining bloat for any new manager to have to deal with, wage structure will be in firm footing and with a DoF who hopefully signs in thinking yo the new manager.

Throw in a passionate but battered supporter base, who are desperate to see us actually play footy again (lampard sorry was just too flawed and Silva I think right now we'd have been more patient with having seen FSW and Dyche subsequently, which have ground us down.

A progressive manager I think we'd give time to now if he showed us moving in the right direction in terms of implementing a style of play.
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great post mate it’s actually makes perfect sense if we could get that scenario

but its us! our luck has to turn sometime
 

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