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Panorama to question ownership of Everton

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I don't believe for one second that Panorama were holding anything back for a formal investigation or anything like that. I think they investigated something that everyone had suspicions about (quite rightly) but the evidence was lacking. The fact the they/the Guardian confirmed that subsequent to making the programme they have received evidence that Moshiri did in fact pay for his shares pretty much undermines the entire case.

In saying that, I do agree with Davek that there was probably something underhand about the whole thing - but nothing that will come to light or have repercussions on Everton. It may lead to new rules being implemented about who can invest in premier league clubs, but I don't think that you can retrospectively apply it to Moshiri.

Other than considering rule changes, I think this will all blow over and be forgotten about. Hopefully anyway.
 
davek said:
Stadium investors. They'll run a mile.
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Or maybe not. At the moment there are a string of accusations and some pretty complex transactions that may never be unravelled, but in essence Moshiri now has to prove that he used his own money to buy Everton and that he came by that money in a way that doesn't conflict with 'fit and proper.' I would be amazed if it could be proven that he and Usmanov are guilty of wrong doing, they're all far too clever for that and those people who will sit in judgement are also on the gravy train.

I take the view that all major sports are rotten and the people running them are bent, there's nothing really new here.
 
I will say that I did enjoy Lord Ashcroft being chased around the exhibition centre he was in like a live version of Pac-Man before being chased into a toilet.

Can you imagine that happening with Moshiri? Chasing him around the main stand? Brilliant - that would have been worth the licence fee alone. Though I'd expect him to go into the toilets after him, and a shot of Moshiri's shoes with his kecks round his ankles as he kept flushing the toilet to avoid the questions.

Plus I think the guy presenting the show did a good attempt at selling the qualities of the Arsenal game, he almost made me believe we were in touch at 2-4! Well worth the trip to Bermuda to film some location shots whilst walking along a tropical beach.

I can't help but think I am not taking this as seriously as I should be.

Oh yeah, Greg 'rent a quote' Dyke. On him, don't get me started. What a waste of space.
 

Gardocki said:
I don't believe for one second that Panorama were holding anything back for a formal investigation or anything like that. I think they investigated something that everyone had suspicions about (quite rightly) but the evidence was lacking. The fact the they/the Guardian confirmed that subsequent to making the programme they have received evidence that Moshiri did in fact pay for his shares pretty much undermines the entire case.

In saying that, I do agree with Davek that there was probably something underhand about the whole thing - but nothing that will come to light or have repercussions on Everton. It may lead to new rules being implemented about who can invest in premier league clubs, but I don't think that you can retrospectively apply it to Moshiri.

Other than considering rule changes, I think this will all blow over and be forgotten about. Hopefully anyway.
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Like the old Johnny Nash song says 'There are more questions than answers' Had this been the hardhitting Panorama of the 60's and 70's I might have been concerned however, this is now a National league Northern Division programme reporting on a Premiership club.
Whatever they flag up you can bet your bottom dollar it will be all they have, Mosh and the other contributors will save something up their sleeve, these are smart hard nosed billionaire businessmen they haven't got to where they are without doing dodgy deals but they are surrounded by people they can trust working by their own code of ethics.

There will be no major repercussions regarding this programme, vault me, this is just sensationalist journalism, clickbait if you wish, it will interest people this week but remember today's headlines is tomorrow's chip paper.
 
larbert toffee said:
Like the old Johnny Nash song says 'There are more questions than answers' Had this been the hardhitting Panorama of the 60's and 70's I might have been concerned however, this is now a National league Northern Division programme reporting on a Premiership club.
Whatever they flag up you can bet your bottom dollar it will be all they have, Mosh and the other contributors will save something up their sleeve, these are smart hard nosed billionaire businessmen they haven't got to where they are without doing dodgy deals but they are surrounded by people they can trust working by their own code of ethics.

There will be no major repercussions regarding this programme, vault me, this is just sensationalist journalism, clickbait if you wish, it will interest people this week but remember today's headlines is tomorrow's chip paper.
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Clickbait TV is a perfect description. "My Jaw Dropped when I saw who owned Everton!" and "You won't believe how the Queen Made her Money in 2017!"
 
This could be good news lads, if it means Usmanov has to sell his Arsenal shares (as he won’t be close to gaining ownership there) he will be joining us.
 
The only questionable revelation really was that Usmanov and Moshiri purchased a stake in Arsenal as 50-50 partners but Usmanov purchased all of the shares and gave half to Moshiri as a "gift" (and this is only an accusation at this point). Giving shares away as a gift to someone or an organisation is hardly unheard of anyway. And even if there's foul play at work here, which I don't think there is, it's Arsenal's problem -not ours. Moshiri selling his shares go to Usmanov to purchase the 49.9% stake in Everton is not illegal, he didn't hold shares in two clubs at once. Whether Usmanov sells his shares in Arsenal and comes here is another question.
 
...there might be similarities here with Sir Alex Ferguson and rich United shareholder John Magnier. Magnier gifted SAF a racehorse called Rock of Gibraltar who went on to be a classic winner. It meant the horse was worth a fortune at stud but a court case ensued because the ‘gift’ didn’t include millions to be earned from stud.

If somebody gives you a ‘gift’, surely you then own it. I appreciate it’s all down to implication and Moshiri seems to be saying the paperwork alluding to it being a gift is a mistake. I suppose the bottom line is that he has to prove he paid for his Arsenal shares.
 

I don't understand this story so I'll make my own conclusions.

1. Usmanov might have to sell his stake in Arsenal
2. Usmanov then buys everton
3. Kronke takes full control of Arsenal and moves them to Los Angeles
4. Everton plays home matches in their shiny new grounds in North London.
 
Eggs said:
...there might be similarities here with Sir Alex Ferguson and rich United shareholder John Magnier. Magnier gifted SAF a racehorse called Rock of Gibraltar who went on to be a classic winner. It meant the horse was worth a fortune at stud but a court case ensued because the ‘gift’ didn’t include millions to be earned from stud.

If somebody gives you a ‘gift’, surely you then own it. I appreciate it’s all down to implication and Moshiri seems to be saying the paperwork alluding to it being a gift is a mistake. I suppose the bottom line is that he has to prove he paid for his Arsenal shares.
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It was some horse too
 

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