Phil Jagielka

[Tree13]

[1] Jagileka played badly when he had a terrible player alongside him.

Hows that hard to understand, if you dont feel comfortable with the player alongside you, your gonna struggle to perform, coupled with the liability in goal behind him and it made his performances suffer.

[2] He was selected player of the season by ALL his peers and the fanbase as a whole.

[3] Hes a truly remarkable defender and will only get better with age.

Hes got probably 2 full seasons at the very top, hes a fit lad and he appears to have a lifestyle that will only prolong his career, we should look to phase him out of the first team around the middle of the 2017/18 season when its likely we will see a SLIGHT drop in his overall performance.

[1] Distin was the better player in the early part of the season. How many more times do you have to watch the 6-3 against Chelsea? This is the same Distin whom Jagielka has played alongside for five plus years now, with some of our best-ever defensive stats coming in that time period. How on earth could Jags feel "uncomfortable" playing alongside him?

[2] Who were the realistic alternatives? We hardly had many stand-out performers. I would have given it to Lukaku myself. I'd be interested to know if anyone else was close in the voting among the players.

[3] He didn't get better this year, did he.

I'm not saying your wrong re your last paragraph. It's just a matter of odds. You are gambling on the most optimistic conclusion of his career, whereas I am taking a more cautious approach. If the right player is available at the right price this summer, would you really refuse to sign that player?

 

[bluemangroup]

He needs help, seen a documentary the other week and he seems to be living on the streets in a bed.

Must be on crack.

He seems to think his master bed room is a train station and is decorating it accordingly. It's intervention time.

Just £2 a month etc etc etc

 

[chicoazul]

You let me be? LOL.

You made a fool of yourself in that thread pal. Let yourself down by attacking the posters rather than their posts.

If an condition of having an opinion on here is that the opinion MUST be shared by others, including current squad players at the club, then it would be a fairly quiet discussion board, wouldn't it?

Fact remains, Jags was pony until Stones came back. After Stones returned, our only truly woeful display was Kiev away - when Stones was unavailable. Our defence record this year was abysmal, and Jags was a far bigger part of that problem than Stones was.

But it's ok, because people like Alcaraz and McGeady think Jags is great. SO great in fact, that he is going to defy the aging process and will never ever need replacing. Hey, Richard Gough was good too, let's have him back in the squad.

Let's deconstruct that cringey post of yours in the feint chance that it somehow resonates and enables you to kick-start reasonable thought. A long shot but I'll try.

Jagielka had a poor first six to eight weeks of the season. If you read through the thread you'll see people commenting on him coming back to the form we've been accustomed to for the most part of his eight years or so at the club. You however had went hell for leather on him being finished for some reason, which ironically then made you look even more silly when you name dropped Richard Gough as your closing gambit. A player who was still very good and out best defender a full four years older than Jagielka.

How we doing so far? Good.

Your hypothesis is that Stones was the best player at the club last season and the reason why Jagielka played better. Which is utter bilge by the way as, once again the Everton players disagreed with on their voting and forgive me if I trust their viewpoint a little more than yours.

But it's fact right? I mean Kiev only happened because Stones was missing. It's not as if Stones was playing when Aston Villa made our defence look powder puff. That was Jagielka fault though right? And not that bit in the round before Kiev where the Swiss team's striker bullied Stones and even got him sent off. Where was Jagielka in all that? The utter monster.

I know you have a man crush on Stones and I'm with the many others who believe will probably go on to be better than Jagielka in terms of his ability but for last season in isolation I'm quite happy to go along with the Everton players and most rational people watching the team when we say Jagielka was probably our best player and one of the few who hit any sort of consistency. Maybe the bar was set low, who knows?

Anyway I'm gonna paint over the comment of making ourselves look silly in threads as it would seem perception isn't your strong point plums.

 

[chicoazul]

We're so wrong and he'll argue with us ALL!

Yes you Everton players too. Yoire clueless you are.

 

[bluemangroup]

Still no punches thrown

 

[Goat]

[1] Distin was the better player in the early part of the season. How many more times do you have to watch the 6-3 against Chelsea? This is the same Distin whom Jagielka has played alongside for five plus years now, with some of our best-ever defensive stats coming in that time period. How on earth could Jags feel "uncomfortable" playing alongside him?

When you get dicked 6-3, its hard to pin the blame on 1 single player, but you have sadly managed just that.

[2] Who were the realistic alternatives? We hardly had many stand-out performers. I would have given it to Lukaku myself. I'd be interested to know if anyone else was close in the voting among the players.

Ive seen the voting slips.

All the first team voted Jagielka, apart from Howard, Osman and Naismith who voted for themselves.

[3] He didn't get better this year, did he.

He finished the season very strongly, so yes, he did get better this year.

I'm not saying your wrong re your last paragraph. It's just a matter of odds. You are gambling on the most optimistic conclusion of his career, whereas I am taking a more cautious approach. If the right player is available at the right price this summer, would you really refuse to sign that player?

You say the right player, but theres no real issue here, we are losing 2 CBs in Distin and Escape from, we have 2 young uns almost ready to step up in Galloway and Browning, its hard to know if they will "make it", but I suspect at least 1 of them will, but regardless we have to plan as if they arent here, due to currently their age.

I see a lot of people in the transfer thread talking about Scott Dann and Johnny Evans, both are pretty average players, decent premiership defenders, but neither are as good as Jags or Stones IMO.

Ideally we should be looking at getting at least 1 really top class prospect, when I say prospect, I mean a player around the age of 24, who is currently playing in a lower tier of league and could be picked up for a reasonable amount, rather than the silly money the British players would attract.

People are to focused about "what happens when Jagielka gets old", well we deal with that when it happens, at the moment we need at least 1 CB who can come in and push Jags and Stones for a starting place, thats providing that Stones is still an Everton player by the end of the window.

 

[LinekersLegs]

You let me be? LOL.

You made a fool of yourself in that thread pal. Let yourself down by attacking the posters rather than their posts.

If an condition of having an opinion on here is that the opinion MUST be shared by others, including current squad players at the club, then it would be a fairly quiet discussion board, wouldn't it?

Fact remains, Jags was pony until Stones came back. After Stones returned, our only truly woeful display was Kiev away - when Stones was unavailable. Our defence record this year was abysmal, and Jags was a far bigger part of that problem than Stones was.

But it's ok, because people like Alcaraz and McGeady think Jags is great. SO great in fact, that he is going to defy the aging process and will never ever need replacing. Hey, Richard Gough was good too, let's have him back in the squad.

Stones was injured October 5th against Man Utd and came came back Boxing Day - those are facts.

Everything else is just opinion but lots of people felt that Jags was back in top form in October even without Stones by his side as many stated in this very thread. You just don't happen to share the same opinion.

Still BOSS.

Boss again tonight

I dunno I felt he was pretty poor early in the season but there's no doubt he's been as strong as he's ever been since the Derby match and has possibly been our most consistent player.

 

[Allezfan]

Let's deconstruct that cringey post of yours in the feint chance that it somehow resonates and enables you to kick-start reasonable thought. A long shot but I'll try.

 

[Donald Twain]

Still no punches thrown

Disappointing.

 

[Groucho]

Stones was injured October 5th against Man Utd and came came back Boxing Day - those are facts.

Everything else is just opinion but lots of people felt that Jags was back in top form in October even without Stones by his side as many stated in this very thread. You just don't happen to share the same opinion.

I agree. After a shaky start he improved, Stones' form notwithstanding.

 

[Groucho]

We're so wrong and he'll argue with us ALL!

Yes you Everton players too. Yoire clueless you are.

I know our favourite Bootle-dwelling Cookie Monster is being sarcastic here, however I feel the point he raises is a good one, in that in order for a debate to take place, sometimes people have to find a middle ground.

I find that, increasingly so with some people (genuinely aimed at no one in particular), that middle ground is simply a foreign concept.

I'm not saying that if someone has an opinion that's in the minority then they should submit to others' views, certainly not - but both sides should attempt to see it from the other's point of view. You'll find that debates this way are well better than simply taking on all comers.

Essentially, be nice to each other and remember - it's ok to disagree, nastiness doesn't need to occur.

 

[Christiffa25]

Whilst jags wasn't at his best early season along with many others. The team as a whole certainly wasn't helped by the abismal pre-season and shocking early season setup and tactics which was NOT the same as the previous season!

 

[Elong]

Whilst jags wasn't at his best early season along with many others. The team as a whole certainly wasn't helped by the abismal pre-season and shocking early season setup and tactics which was NOT the same as the previous season!

Do you just copy and paste the same response in every thread?

 

[Zatara]

Enter Van Dijk.

You say the right player, but theres no real issue here, we are losing 2 CBs in Distin and Escape from, we have 2 young uns almost ready to step up in Galloway and Browning, its hard to know if they will "make it", but I suspect at least 1 of them will, but regardless we have to plan as if they arent here, due to currently their age.

I see a lot of people in the transfer thread talking about Scott Dann and Johnny Evans, both are pretty average players, decent premiership defenders, but neither are as good as Jags or Stones IMO.

Ideally we should be looking at getting at least 1 really top class prospect, when I say prospect, I mean a player around the age of 24, who is currently playing in a lower tier of league and could be picked up for a reasonable amount, rather than the silly money the British players would attract.

People are to focused about "what happens when Jagielka gets old", well we deal with that when it happens, at the moment we need at least 1 CB who can come in and push Jags and Stones for a starting place, thats providing that Stones is still an Everton player by the end of the window.

 

[bluemangroup]

Enter Van Dijk.

Not without his permission.