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Phil Jagielka

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Jagielka is ok, as I've conceded. But he's more Moyes than Martinez; more steak and chips than haute cuisine; more Bobby Ball than Woody Allen; more Ken Barlow than De Niro.

Do you think he's come on a fair bit under Martinez though? I was amazed yesterday watching him carrying the ball out of defence. While it was not John Stones it was remarkable how far he's come along post Martinez.

I am not sure about him going walkabout each season either. I do wonder if sometimes it's down to the players around him. He is normally quite consistent in his performances, but is not capable of dominating/leading a defence. He needs someone to do that for him.
 
Jagielka is ok, as I've conceded. But he's more Moyes than Martinez; more steak and chips than haute cuisine; more Bobby Ball than Woody Allen; more Ken Barlow than De Niro.

So is Terry, so was Vidic, so is Cahill, so is Kompany to an extent.

Bottom line is even the top teams need a stopper, someone who puts his body on the line and will put his foot through the ball when required.
 
Great performance but the only negative about yesterday for me was the post match interview were he said we have to look on finishing in the top half, come on Jags ffs surely you should of said as high as possible or challenge for Europe or top 4, Moyes to death, well played though
 

Wait a few weeks, he'll be toeing it into his own net, diving under crosses knocked into the box and playing through balls for forwards to run on to.
All players go through patches in their form and it can be particularly obvious for CBs as it often results in a goal.

Kompany for example is usually an excellent captain and player but most seasons he'll get an utterly mental red card or conceed a ridiculous og. Last year he was frankly awful almost the whole way through.

But as soon as Jags makes the least mistake, you jump on it with glee and act like it is some great failing specific to him.
 
Do you think he's come on a fair bit under Martinez though? I was amazed yesterday watching him carrying the ball out of defence. While it was not John Stones it was remarkable how far he's come along post Martinez.

I am not sure about him going walkabout each season either. I do wonder if sometimes it's down to the players around him. He is normally quite consistent in his performances, but is not capable of dominating/leading a defence. He needs someone to do that for him.
Defo. He looked like Bambi on ice when Martinez fist taught him how to play. Now he's cemented his place in the England team because he's added football to his bow. Martinez has extended Jagielka's international career by a few tournaments more.
 
All players go through patches in their form and it can be particularly obvious for CBs as it often results in a goal.

Kompany for example is usually an excellent captain and player but most seasons he'll get an utterly mental red card or conceed a ridiculous og. Last year he was frankly awful almost the whole way through.

But as soon as Jags makes the least mistake, you jump on it with glee and act like it is some great failing specific to him.
Still, when Kompany is in a bit of a ropey period he does also organise and bring that to the party. Not so Jagielka. He just adds to the feeling of chaos.
 
BT sport reporter interviewed him after the game, 1st question was about how good is john stones. Felt a bit for jags, would have been nice to say how good were you 2 as a pair today. Funny how the last 3 guy's to play along side him have gone on to have terrific careers or moved for huge money(coincidence) underrated in my eyes but not a captain it's true.
 

Defo. He looked like Bambi on ice when Martinez fist taught him how to play. Now he's cemented his place in the England team because he's added football to his bow. Martinez has extended Jagielka's international career by a few tournaments more.
Did he ever play on the left side with Heitinga when Distin was injured or is that new for him too? I can't remember.
 
Has been excellent for the majority of the season so far and the last 3/4 months of last season. Brilliant yesterday.
 
Funes Mori has obviously been bought to eventually replace him, but for now, Jags is class.

He has decreased sometimes over the past two years, but that's age, he's 34 now.

But he still usually keeps a top performance in most games.
 

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