Pinpointing a moment.....

[degsy]

Heysel and the boards in ability to put a plan togeather to either fight our case to let us in or plan for us staying at the top

Being lazy and bringing back Kendall after city

Mike walker

Letting big Joe go

Bring back Kendall for a third time

NTL

Kings dock

Summer of 2017

Thr list is endless and it’s finally caught up with us.

And it goes back way further than that.
A terrible litany of consistently, when face with an and /or decison, making the wrong choice

Edit; 1892, not paying the rent increase - false economy

 

[Gilbert..]

I’d go back to Arsenal v Everton and the Nyarko shirt swap moment.

Can’t think of anything like that happening before. Think Walter Smith was the manager at the time.

I was there. Feels like its just gone full circle. Away end was very toxic. Team just looked so shabby. That lad was about 3 rows away.

 

[Stevie Nicks Bootleg]

Letting big Joe go

I wasn't too bothered when Royle went personally. Grateful for what he did a couple of years before, but his football was dreadful in 96/97 and we were spiralling down the league table in no time....and all's he ever did was blame in on injuries, rather than his poor management and terrible tactics.

 

[Stevie Nicks Bootleg]

I was there. Feels like its just gone full circle. Away end was very toxic. Team just looked so shabby. That lad was about 3 rows away.

The lad with the bad undies

 

[Drico]

What book? But the Barcelona thing is by the by anyway, he went to a lesser club because he was so keen to try it out abroad. Also, asking Harvey to step up is only considered wrong in hindsight- it seemed a good choice at the time (and it wasn't unusual back then to promote from within) and all the players wanted it.

Kendall's autobiography. I wonder how keen he would have been to "try it out abroad" if he'd been made a better financial offer by Everton. You seem very keen to dismiss the possibility that just maybe the club accepted defeat that little bit easily... It may very well have been that he was going regardless. We'll never know. And it's not like Kendall was constantly underrated during his career. I mean, Terry Venables - who achieved very little in his time in English football by comparison - was preferred by Barcelona. And England. And Kendall was also overlooked in favour of Graham Taylor whrn that job came up again. So, while you may very well be right that Howard simply wanted off, there is an argument that Kendall was perhaps not as glamorous as his success entitled him to be considered - and was undervalued by the club at that critical juncture.

Anyway, sliding doors. Given the way his career fizzled out soon after, it's possible his continued tenure at Everton resulted in only marginally better returns than provided by Colin Harvey. We'll never know.

 

[Drico]

I wasn't too bothered when Royle went personally. Grateful for what he did a couple of years before, but his football was dreadful in 96/97 and we were spiralling down the league table in no time....and all's he ever did was blame in on injuries, rather than his poor management and terrible tactics.

Agreed. The Joe Royle of 1997 was not the Joe Royle of 1994/95. We got him a good four years too late from Oldham. Had he succeeded Colin Harvey, then perhaps we would have arrested our decline.

 

[Gilbert..]

The lad with the bad undies

He'd had a few. But i can still remember the atmosphere was getting nasty. Gemmil was trying. But he was basically in the centre on his own as i dont think Nyarko got out of a jog.
Arsenal didnt need to get out of 1st gear tbh.

 

[cooperman]

Ferguson's disallowed goal against Villarreal.

That goes in, we make the group stages. Moyes makes further shrewd purchases and we kick on

 

[Davideeyore]

The weak subservient club mentality has been around the club for a long time. If only we had stood up to the government in 1985, 'sliding doors' right there.

But When Kendall left in 87 the club rested on its laurels and the slide began.

Even when Carter was setting up the Premier League with Everton as one of the 'big 5' at the start of the 90's we had already took our eye off the ball. No longer a club striving to be the best.

 

[Stevie Nicks Bootleg]

Kendall's autobiography. I wonder how keen he would have been to "try it out abroad" if he'd been made a better financial offer by Everton. You seem very keen to dismiss the possibility that just maybe the club accepted defeat that little bit easily... It may very well have been that he was going regardless. We'll never know. And it's not like Kendall was constantly underrated during his career. I mean, Terry Venables - who achieved very little in his time in English football by comparison - was preferred by Barcelona. And England. And Kendall was also overlooked in favour of Graham Taylor whrn that job came up again. So, while you may very well be right that Howard simply wanted off, there is an argument that Kendall was perhaps not as glamorous as his success entitled him to be considered - and was undervalued by the club at that critical juncture.

Anyway, sliding doors. Given the way his career fizzled out soon after, it's possible his continued tenure at Everton resulted in only marginally better returns than provided by Colin Harvey. We'll never know.

I don't recall with Dalglish bit being in it myself. Are we talking about the same book? You seem very keen to act like he would have stayed if the offer was better when the book you're talking about, he says multiple times how much he need to try it out abroad. So maybe i'm dismissing it because, for example, he kept the provisional contract he signed to become manager of Barcelona to remind him of what might have been- which is fairly conclusive evidence to me that he wanted to leave for Spain- and the fact that he did leave is even further evidence.

 

[Evertonthat]

The Moshiri era is littered with sliding doors moments where we screwed up and took the wrong route, but for me the biggest was Ancelotti leaving and being replaced with Benitez. It was a fast decline from that moment onward.

 

[Lobster Johnson]

I was there. Feels like its just gone full circle. Away end was very toxic. Team just looked so shabby. That lad was about 3 rows away.

I was just a kid when Smith was here but that was probably the era when I went to the game the most. I don't remember ever feeling any sort of hope or engagement with the team on the field. My major memory of the Smith years is that I always seemed to be cold and an overall feeling of "meh"

 

[Moomin]

When Moshiri arrived and we all started acting like bells saying " Billionaires lad "

 

[Exeter_Gently]

Ferguson's disallowed goal against Villarreal.

That goes in, we make the group stages. Moyes makes further shrewd purchases and we kick on

Big moment

 

[Drico]

I don't recall with Dalglish bit being in it myself. Are we talking about the same book? You seem very keen to act like he would have stayed if the offer was better when the book you're talking about, he says multiple times how much he need to try it out abroad. So maybe i'm dismissing it because, for example, he kept the provisional contract he signed to become manager of Barcelona to remind him of what might have been- which is fairly conclusive evidence to me that he wanted to leave for Spain- and the fact that he did leave is even further evidence.

I'm not saying he would have stayed at all. I am saying I have doubts that all that could have been done to keep him was done. Why? Because the club DOES NOT get the benefit of the doubt from anybody who has followed their machinations over the last 35 years plus. It would be naive to be certain that the club couldn't keep him.

That said, perhaps nothing could have kept him. That's the way it sometimes is. But looking back now, the decision made at the time wasn't just damaging for Everton. Kendall sated his ambition to work abroad, but basically ended his career as a top-level manager in the process. He's fondly remembered in Bilbao, and he had a good stint at Man City before coming to us again, but neither club nor manager were the same forces again after the summer of 87.