Poll: Sam Allardyce - yes or no?

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

If you lie down with dogs you get up with fleas.

You're a danger!

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Yesterday 19...today 137 lol

Fickle much?

 

[brieverton]

Quite the turnaround in views here in the last 24 hours. A reflection of the mess we are in.

Differing views on Allardyce quite obviously here, but it's more a reflection on the club as a whole that he seems now to be a serious candidate.

Anyone advocating him, or at least those neutral to his appointment, do so from genuine concern and a desire to avoid disaster.

If it came down to him and Dyche, I'd rather Sam - we might as well at least go for broke in that scenario.

Horses for courses as they say. We are every bit as poor as the sides I saw in the 90s - I hope the board can see that too and do what needs doing.

 

[Eggs]

We also have Barkley returning soon, Coleman and Bolasie and possibly Mori after the Christmas period. all four provide somethign we lack in key areas - in pace.

What we need to do is to stop picking player based on who they are, what they cost or what wages they are on and reputation.

What would fill you with more confidence right now out these two teams going into a game mate?

Pickford, Kenny, Jags, Williams, Baines, Gueye, Davies, Lennon, Mirallas, Rooney, DCL

or

Pickford, Kenny, Jagielka, Holgate, Baines, Banangime (sp), Schneiderlin, Davies, Lookman, Vlasic, Sigurdsson,

First team is the experienced on, second the youthful one with actual pace and energy

..to be fair, Unsworth is not picking players based on what they cost. I understand the reasons for picking Lennon but I just can’t have him at either end of the pitch. I agree with Lookman’s inclusion in your team but we have to accept that will come with frustrations.

I’m not a fan of Holgate at CB, i’d certainly pick Keane ahead of him. Indeed, i’d pick Keane ahead of Jagielka and Williams. As we discussed, Sigurdsson up top is an unknown to me but I wouldn’t dismiss it given other options.

 

[Kienic]

it's a real poison chalice but fans can be two-faced over an appointments also, take for example:

Some say give Sam the job for 7 months to steady the ship, two outcomes:

1 - get's relegated (fans here call him every name under the sun and 'we didn't want him anyway')
or
2 - survives relegation (we paid him to do his job, now off with you Sammy)


Hire Dyche or Silva or Tuchel (all 3 will get the same following response here I think)

1 - survives relegation (brilliant appointment, knew *insert name here was right for the job*)
or
2 - gets relegated (in fairness they inherited someone else's mess)

that sound about right?


I will stick my flag in the sand here and say I have been a blue since the mid 80's and I at this point would take Sam and I would give him till the end of 2018 season too.

 

[Brendan Janus]

You can chop & change players, you can chop & change formations, it makes no difference, this squad is putrid !!

 

[LiamG]

I said no but ask me again after Watford.

If it was between him and Dyche I would go for Big Sam. Dyche I wouldn't be certain of of getting us out of this mess whereas at least with Sam I would feel pretty confident.

Big Sam would take us back to around 7th and in 18 months we could make another change.

I still think Unsworth should be given at least until the international break, ideally I would have preferred two home games but the fixtures haven't worked out like that.

 

[bluestevon]

..to be fair, Unsworth is not picking players based on what they cost. I understand the reasons for picking Lennon but I just can’t have him at either end of the pitch. I agree with Lookman’s inclusion in your team but we have to accept that will come with frustrations.

I’m not a fan of Holgate at CB, i’d certainly pick Keane ahead of him. Indeed, i’d pick Keane ahead of Jagielka and Williams. As we discussed, Sigurdsson up top is an unknown to me but I wouldn’t dismiss it given other options.

Wasn't saying Unsworth was doing that mate, but Koeman seemed to do it.

I don't like Holgate at cb myself mate, but when the options instead are Williams or Jagielka which either means we sit massively deep or alternatively give lots of space behind that they are unable to cover and leave us pretty much either under seige in a game or so easy to counter it's untrue, then i think why not partner Holgate with Keane and at least try to play a high line with players able to run faster than a tortoise.

 

[Khalekan]

I am a lot more open to the idea of Sam coming in now than I was twenty four hours ago, that’s for sure.

Listening to him on with Andy Gray just now it is obvious he would walk to Goodison if the call came.

Maybe hire him on a short, nine month contract to dig us out of this hole and take the rest of the season to properly headhunt a new manager?

 

[heatmeiser]

And anyone saying yes needs to remember Bolton. Always remember Bolton.

 

[Camboselecta]

Id rather sh1t in my hands and clap than see him manage us!

 

[degsy]

If I'm going to change my vote, how long are we talking for - until the end of the season.

and can I wait until after Watford

 

[LiamG]

Now I agree we are in a real mess right now and perhaps a manager like allardice is the answer.

However the appointment has to be about status as well unfortunatly. We bring in a tuchel or other foreign coach and it looks like we are still showing ambition. The minute dyche/allardice/pulls rock up to goodison and that dies instantly and we go from being a club ready to challenge the top 6 to essentially a bottom half table.

It is a complete mess we are in right now make no mistake , there is still time to turn this around and for arguments sake a tuchel comes in and wins his first game and the league doesn't look so scary anymore. All we need right now is a win, back to back wins potentially could take us top half and relegation is already forgotton.

It will look like what it is. A desperate club making a desperate decision to try and stay in the premier league like every other club that has hired Big Sam in recent memory.

The reality is that is what it is and in the past lets be honest when a club in our predicament has hired him we have always thought it was a good appointment because he will keep them up.

Still shouldn't be done before Watford.

 

[Bob Elstone]

I was dead against it.

Having watched the footage with keys and gray. He talks sense.

Get back to basics. Don't concede and hit them with a set piece.

He'd sort us out.

 

[LiamG]

People are panicking WAY too early and starting to jump on board for getting a fire-fighter type manager in, which basically writes off the next 2-3 seasons due to panicking about going down.

I'd go the opposite, the teams that do panic early and get that type of manager in are usually the ones that go down within a couple of years anyway

Bolton left in 2007 went down in 2008
Newcastle left in 2008 went down in 2009
Blackburn left in 2010 went down in 2012
West Ham still in the division
Sunderland left in 2016 went down in 2017
Palace left in 2017 went down in 2018?

By the end of this season 5 of the 6 clubs he will have managed will have likely been relegated within 2 years of him leaving the job, can point to it being because the clubs are a mess when they call him in, can also maybe suggest that whilst he gets results he does nothing to ensure the club is stronger when he leaves than when he came in.

BTW interesting little thing to point out, we are often said to be wanting to mirror spurs model etc, in 2008 Spurs sacked Ramos after 8 games and where on 2 points at the time, they finished the season in 8th.

The year before they sacked Jol after 10 games - and sat third from bottom with 7 points, they finished 11th that season.

They went for Redknapp, Villas-Boas, Sherwood and then Pocchetino after those two.

Spurs were a far better team than we currently are. Ultimately if he keeps us up then it will be down to the board and recruitment. All this shows is he outperforms the club he is at.