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Proposed changes to the Premier league

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If Champions League clubs are so worried about playing too many games, then why did they agree to drop into the Europa League if they exited early from the competition?

If it was a knock out tournament like it used to be and only the champions got in it, that may help too, yeah as if.

The too many games line is a lie, never enough money for their greedy asses is the truth.
 
What amazes me is that it stated all 20 PL clubs rejected the deal
Surely the scum and Manure voted for it , it was their idea after all
I’d say they got the bollocks chewed off them in that meeting

I said that earlier on social media.

Having spent time in the trade union movement, and made proposals with work as part of working groups, I can't think of a single example of when someone has brought a motion/proposal to then reject their motion.

They are trying desperately to put a positive spin on things about this consultation, but the phrase "in the interests of the 20 teams" or whatever it was was very telling. I.E not in the selfish interest of those 2.

If they start trying to bring back asepcts of the plan, I am pretty sure they will just be told not only were those ideas rejected, but they themselves voted against them. So its a quite ridiculous course of action. The fact they felt compelled to do so, gives you an idea of the level of backlash, both in terms of that meeting, and externally that they have felt.

As it happens, I think Liverpool will greatly regret allying themselves with the Glaziers, who are hadly viewed as paragons of virtue by football supporters.
 
If Champions League clubs are so worried about playing too many games, then why did they agree to drop into the Europa League if they exited early from the competition?

If it was a knock out tournament like it used to be and only the champions got in it, that may help too, yeah as if.

The too many games line is a lie, never enough money for their greedy asses is the truth.
The champions League should be a league. Only the champions of each country and playing each other twice throughout the season. That would solve the desire for a European super League and would be genuinely exciting to watch.

The reason it won't happen is because teams like United are teetering on the brink of obscurity.
 
The champions League should be a league. Only the champions of each country and playing each other twice throughout the season. That would solve the desire for a European super League and would be genuinely exciting to watch.

The reason it won't happen is because teams like United are teetering on the brink of obscurity.

If somehow Man Itd don’t make Europe this season, and the whole thing is played behind closed doors... they’re boned.
 
The L1 and 2 clubs are selling their souls to the devil for a short term financial package, in the long run they are signing their rights away. Ridiculous behaviour and showing once more cash is king.
 

The L1 and 2 clubs are selling their souls to the devil for a short term financial package, in the long run they are signing their rights away. Ridiculous behaviour and showing once more cash is king.
How many of those owners do you think actually care about the club's they own? They want to make easy money and only care about the short term. Look at the Blackpool owners as an example. They were at war with their own fans for years.
 
If Champions League clubs are so worried about playing too many games, then why did they agree to drop into the Europa League if they exited early from the competition?

If it was a knock out tournament like it used to be and only the champions got in it, that may help too, yeah as if.

The too many games line is a lie, never enough money for their greedy asses is the truth.
The 'too many games' argument could actually be expanded to say 'too many competitive games and not enough time for exhibitions abroad' in reality, knowing how these Yanks operate..
 
Not arguing that at all, Sc*m clubs, with owners only driven by greed with zero interest in help anyone other than their balance sheets & I stand that. On the flip side, on one of the early pages of this thread I did say all they want to do here is provoke change and they new when published or leaked with would get rejected. I dont think they are popping bottles of champagne, but the will be ok with strategic review IMHO

They are trying to put a brave face on it because nobody looks wants to look like complete un utter losers like they have is never a positive.

You do not go out on a limb, in the way they have, unless you are confident of getting the motion through. It's as simple as that. To have not got it through, but also been widely condemned in the media and by government, to have not won a minority position, not even managed to unite the "top 6" teams and finally not managed to convince a single team to vote for it is a huge and embaressing error.

If they wanted a consultation, they could have easily just argued for a consultation and won that. Had they have done so, there would have been none of the baggage that is now associated to them, which is that they are deceitful, greedy, self serving institutions that are untrustworthy. Thts basically the accepted position that they are now viewed in. So they are not even entereing the consultation on "even" ground as to where they were last week. They are entering it, with most of the league very distrustful of them, with their agenda roundly condemned and unanimously rejected having been considered and the remaining teams resolute now that the other 18 teams views now need to be taken into account (as opposed to just the top 2/6's).

That is the context of this review. They may got things like the Charity Shield is ended, but the question is going to be what will they give in return? Perhaps a move to collectivise foreign broadcasting and put it into line with the domestic deal redistribution? Perhaps a legal and written guarentee with huge penalties of leaving the competition? Perhaps an acknowedgement that no team is to partake in any European competition whereby entrance is not decided on the grounds of merit, but wealth? They will likely be required to surrender something, for one of the smaller demands.

It's an unmitigated disaster for them.
 
I'll bite....

1) Yes it was for greed 1000%; but the league is motivated by greed. Sean Dyche showed that doesnt just apply to the top 2/4/6 or whatever
2) Good of the game; they don't care about it across the board, they are purely balance sheet driven. There will be no problem coming to a self serving agreement between 14 clubs, it just wont be what was in project big idea
3) Fans - token dotage to ST's and regular matchgoing fans will happen but at the expense of the TV watcher. That's the PR winning middle ground they want
4) PL - again every club is self serving & if they could make more money by changing it they will
5) Pyrimid - Do you think Gold, Sullivan & Brady, the owners of Sheffield United etc care about the integrity of they pyrimid? Not a chance
6) Billionaire's - I agree; completely self serving greed.
7) Every single idea killed? - I doubt it, some are actually decent in fairness. How can anyone rationally argue against away tickets being capped and travel subsistence programs.

When the strategic review is done, I would happily wager that some elements of the big idea are adopted, many are binned and there will be some sort of mechanic for bailing out the EFL, but it will be smaller than proposed & TV rights (Probably only international) will end up more stacked in favour of the big franchises.

1) I keep seeing Sean Dyche rolled out. I disagree with his opinion, but he is just giving his opinion as someone who is powerless in this. He's paid to coach the team. For a starting point, his opinion doesn't make structural greed at the top of 2 clubs acceptable. I would also say, having an opinion, is not the same as orgaising behind your tade bodies back, a proposal which was so transparent in it's selfish greed towards yourself that it recieved literally no support at the first hurdle. Those 2 things are markedly different.

2) I think we all agree the proposal was terrible for the game.

3) You will have to explain the PR middle ground, I am unsure.

4) To a degree yes. However there are degrees in this. There are only 2 clubs, who have off piste decided that not only were they going to singularly try to resolve the challenges for lower league clubs, but actually then essentially steal from everyone else to do so. Nobody asked them to do it, yet they negotiated on behalf of the PL when they had no right to. They have done the equivalent, of walking past a homeless family, offered to give them money but then leveraged their misery to see what they could get for themselves. Then finally, expected their less well off neighbours to pay for their side of the bargain. It's disgraceful, and simply cannot be reduced to the standard level of coorporate self interest there is.

Not only that, but the league itself, and English football is built upon the sorts of bonds of comapniship and solidarity that exist within the working class communities they exist. These two clubs, fundamentally reject this notion. They want to break the spirit by which this exist, and thus break the very foundations with which English football was built upon. They are intruders from America, who have no idea of social solidarity, and are waging a war against us all. We need to understand this. Hiding behind reductionist cliches of "everyone has self interest" or whatever doesn't help us. It would be as stupid as saying in the midst of the miners strike that Scargill and Thatcher represented the same threat as they both have self interest. It's nonsense. They represent very different things.

5) I doubt they do no. But again they are not developing clandestine plans which would ultimately make the game more unequal. Thats the point here. Holding problematic views is one thing, acting upon it to attempt to make concrete changes that further derail the basis of the game is another. Noth need challenging, but there is a question of scale and severity here. Also the point about United/Liverpool is not to say "well Dyche and Sullivan are bad" it's more to say, if you want Dyche/Sullivan to stop being so greedy, then do something about the vanguards of greedy, selfish ideas.

6) We agree

7) I mean maybe. Maybe the charity Shield is lost. I think though, they will find the bits of the scheme that benefitted them are going to be a lot harder to get through than probably a week ago. They detrimentally impact on the other 14 teams, and as you say everyone looks out for their own interest. It's now been made very clear LFC and MUFC are only acting on their own interests.
 

Paul Barber from Brighton made a great point.

His owner has put in 350m into the club.
Glazers zero into Manchester United.

Why should Brighton lose there vote?

As I said above, I am amazed Liverpool joined forces with United. The optics are absolutely terrible for this. A hated group of owners, and CEO, even by their own fans, ar ethe ones you are going to siddle up to as the saviour of English football?
 
It's getting to be the blame game and Rick Parry has now come out fighting. Looks to have some ammunition too. Produced documentation showing FA chief Greg Clarke first instigated the discussion on Premier League 2 and 'B' teams.

While Clarke's condemnatory statement about secret talks and him walking away when a breakaway was mentioned 'some time in the early Spring' was fairly unspecific and perhaps tended to underplay his own involvement, Parry's evidence may point to the FA chief's involvement being absolutely integral to project big picture getting off the ground as a proposal.

Exclusive: FA chief Greg Clarke 'proposed Premier League 2 and B teams' in explosive leaked document

 
As I said above, I am amazed Liverpool joined forces with United. The optics are absolutely terrible for this. A hated group of owners, and CEO, even by their own fans, ar ethe ones you are going to siddle up to as the saviour of English football?
Obviously though all the other clubs would do as they asked
According to RAWK the scumerpool are everybody's second favourite team
 
I see the EFL clubs have unanimously rejected a £50m bailout from the Premier League because it doesn’t include clubs from the Championship.

Clubs in the Championship shouldn’t be stretching themselves so far in pursuit of Premier League football if they can’t afford to pay the wages of players.
 
I see the EFL clubs have unanimously rejected a £50m bailout from the Premier League because it doesn’t include clubs from the Championship.

Clubs in the Championship shouldn’t be stretching themselves so far in pursuit of Premier League football if they can’t afford to pay the wages of players.
I really do believe there should be a salary cap for EFL teams. Fail to meet it, then tough. No promotion. Simples. Time for the club's to think about being sustainable.

I really do believe a change is needed throughout football in this country, including brining Celtic and Rangers down. But the first port of call must be club's lower down must not be allowed to be loss making.
 

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