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Proposed changes to the Premier league

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I think that at some point in the future this idea will be realized. The owners are too greedy not to try to take all the benefits for themselves. However, I expect this to quickly become a boring circus especially for the European fans. And just imagine the internal struggles on the matter of the distribution of the money between those franchises.
Obviously it will be the local fans of the most of these clubs that will suffer most. It won't be long before some, then most, of their games start to be played in Asia, USA or wherever the money is biggest. Then relocations might start to happen as I can see cities, especially in the Far East, competing to host some of those clubs. Well. I guess this happens when you sell your soul.
 
Brisan123 said:
Some lads are very parochial
They would be amazed how big Celtic are if they done a bit of research
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Yes thats true. There are massive ex pat communities who hold them with real fondness.

Likewise, there are loyalist sympathisers in most small British towns. If they play in the PL, that gets turbo charged. People might not like the dynamics, but thats the reality.
 
Brisan123 said:
If Celtic or Rangers had 5 years in the PL with access to the TV money and the enhanced sponsorship they could attract they would be top 6 .
Within 10 years they would win the league
Celtic are massive worldwide
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I agree with that but shorter. Rangers and Celtic, commercially be a bigger draw than all teams except for United. They are probably bigger than them, in terms of potential as well.
 
number4. said:
Not you, but @catcherintherye - you said it was spot on. I get they are "big clubs" & massive in their own city, but I disagree with their worldwide clout, I dont think I am misunderstanding the situation, they are very niche to two very narrow parts of the Irish global community
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Celtic and Rangers are miles bigger than Chelsea. Most Chelsea fans cheer for Rangers (whereas Rangers fans will split that support across 4 or 5 clubs down here). In Northern Ireland they both have the biggest supporters clubs. I've not been to Dublin, but just about everyone I know who has says Celtic have massive supporters clubs. In the Irish American communities in America, Celtic are also massive. I seem to remember them selling out in New York a while back. Chelsea just don't do that.

As for the "narrow parts of the Irish community" well Rangers don't draw from that community. But the Irish ex pat community is enormous. There are Irish bars in pretty pretty every place you go to.

I remember going to Marmaris a little while back. There was a sports bar showing football, then a Rangers and a Celtic Bar. They were the 3 pubs along the front showing football. That gives you an indication of the pull of each. Chelsea are just nowhere near that league.

I've watched Everton play Chelsea in a pub in London, Chelsea's home city, and there are as many Everton fans as Chelsea fans watching. In their own home city.
 
Foot Long Hot Dog said:
They aren’t officially bluffing though, as literally no one has put their name to this. It’s all an ‘unnamed source’ - which is patently someone at one or both of the clubs.

As for the ‘funding’ an American bank who’d be prepared to lend against future income, that they’d want to be backed with security from all those involved. That’s not someone putting their cash up, that’s just a massive pay day loan.
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Is that the funding model?

As for the first point, not officially no. But they will have given consent for them to be briefed with their names on. It could just be a pressure play for the review, as they know they are in a demonstrably weaker position now going into it. Tactically though, it seems a poor move, as surely clubs just become more enyrenched against them as they know they are likely going to getloads more money with this super league, so why would they want to make it easier for them to do so, and give them even more money from the PL?
 

blulouie said:
Pretty much spot on this .
I think some folks are pandering to the narritive the Prem is nothing without Lfc & Manu .
In fact if and its a big if the 2 Glasgow clubs came in it would allow traditionally Big clubs likeSpurs, Villa , Leeds & Ourselves to flourish .
Possibly seeing a much fairer playing field for upto even 8 to 10 teams having a chance to be Champions.
The support from overseas esp America would be just as good and the fans in the UK I would be sure would fully be behind it with the full grounds we saw pre covid.
It really wouldnt be the end of football.
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Yes essentially that. There would be a short term hit (which in truth would be almost immediately plugged if the Old Firm clubs were to come down) but very quickly, people start tuning in to watch say, Wolves and Leicester in a top of the table clash. And if one wins the league and one is 2nd, very quickly they get overseas fans.

Meanwhile, PSG V Liverpool, 10th v 14th, for the 3rd time that season, with nothing on the game, no European qualification, no relegation, no chance of winning the title etc, starts to become quite dull and feel a bit like Burnley V West Ham currently does. Lots of the hanger ons will just change teams.
 
Foot Long Hot Dog said:
The bottom line here is that this is nothing but a floated non story.

The idea of a European SL has been suggested at various points over the last 22 years, there’s a reason it has never gained any traction, and that’s because it’s a crap idea, that has more holes than a Swiss cheese.

This is nothing more than United & the RS foot stomping and making veiled threats via proxy after their ‘project’ was unceremoniously dumped a week ago. The way European football will try and increase its revenue is via the expanded CL plan that can & will run concurrently with the domestic leagues. This can’t and won’t.
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You do think that a solution, that seems to look to work against the CL and UEFA, rather than with it is extremely high risk.
 
This proposal is similar to a lot of the political maneuvering we have seen in the world over the last number of years - it is for selfish reasons only - the normal layman will suffer and it most definitely is not for the greater good.
 
I am still fairly confident that big picture, and now this, are all just the phoney war to set the conditions for the achievable endgoal.

That is a change in future CL qualification rules to be based on 3 or 5 year rolling average positions and thus remove the financial risk for the hugely leveraged clubs of an off-year resulting in no CL money the next year.

Utd have had this recently and it really stung them in prize money, sponsorship and even gate receipts as they had to literally give away thousands of tickets to Europe league games via local schools. My family are unfortunately all utd fans and they went to several on this basis last year in the group stage.
 

catcherintherye said:
Celtic and Rangers are miles bigger than Chelsea. Most Chelsea fans cheer for Rangers (whereas Rangers fans will split that support across 4 or 5 clubs down here). In Northern Ireland they both have the biggest supporters clubs. I've not been to Dublin, but just about everyone I know who has says Celtic have massive supporters clubs. In the Irish American communities in America, Celtic are also massive. I seem to remember them selling out in New York a while back. Chelsea just don't do that.

As for the "narrow parts of the Irish community" well Rangers don't draw from that community. But the Irish ex pat community is enormous. There are Irish bars in pretty pretty every place you go to.

I remember going to Marmaris a little while back. There was a sports bar showing football, then a Rangers and a Celtic Bar. They were the 3 pubs along the front showing football. That gives you an indication of the pull of each. Chelsea are just nowhere near that league.

I've watched Everton play Chelsea in a pub in London, Chelsea's home city, and there are as many Everton fans as Chelsea fans watching. In their own home city.
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I don't know Catcher. For sure it is a nuanced debate, given all of the political challenges that come with it. My argument would be that while there is definitely an association with Celtic and "being Irish" & they certainly fit the bill of the Irish bar we associate with Marmaris or anywhere else from Peru to Paris but I don't believe that converts to a massive demand to see their matches, if it was there would be demand for the SPL now.

For perspective, the 2019 TV revenue from the total of the SPL was €51m, the same as the Netherlands and less than Austria (€69). The Portugese league is almost 5 times as valuable & the PL generated 68 times as much in TV revenue as the SPL in 2019.

Sure the romance might be there, but if the Global demand was there, it would be there already. The unlikely event of them moving to the PL isn't going to change that significantly, especially given the Old firm fixture, which is already in place will always be their key game.



My point would be does that actually turn into demand to watch them &
 

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