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Quarter Finals

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davek said:
I think that's the damning issue there for Southgate. I was always sure that France even with those injuries would beat England. They have no self-belief. That comes from the manager.

Also, he's been waffling on about building a great young side for the future. The fact is, this England side arn't great. They aren't good enough to win a tournament, despite all the BS from the media and their fans (on here too shamefully).

After about 6 years he has nothing. That lot are nowhere near it.
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The talent is there in my opinion, they could have won the World Cup with the quality of player available, they are weak at the back, but ultimately they don’t have the mentality to win any tournament, this one was a massive, massive opportunity, they won’t get a better chance.

Again when the game is there for the taking they just melt, missed penalty tonight, letting a lead slip in the Euro final - how many penalty shoot outs in how many tournaments. It’s a systemic national insecurity and it runs deep. On that score we were able to predict mid week that England would struggle against one of the top nations when it was put up to them and France were down to their bare bones.

The problem with England runs deep in the psyche, I don’t even know how you go about fixing it, as a nation, given their resources, participation and population, pound for pound are probably one of the worst in tournament participation. I mean there are 4 million people in Croatia.
 
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I still cant figure out how Evertonians were sucked into that nationalistic maelstrom.

Supporting England FFS. That's where three decades of winning f.a. takes you.

Lesson learned I hope. An absolute bunch of overhyped chumps put in the bin by an injury ravaged French team...who probably wont even win it.
 

Neiler said:
The talent is there in my opinion, they could have won the World Cup with the quality of player available, they are weak at the back, but ultimately they don’t have the mentality to win any tournament, this one was a massive, massive opportunity, they won’t get a better chance.

Again when the game is there for the taking they just melt, missed penalty tonight, letting a lead slip in the Euro final - how many penalty shoot out in how many tournaments. It’s a systemic national insecurity and it runs deep. On that score we were able to predict mid week that England would struggle against one of the top nations when it was put up to them and France were down to their bare bones.

The problem with England runs deep in the psyche, I don’t even know how you go about fixing it, as a nation, given their resources, participation and population, pound for pound are probably one of the worst in tournament participation. I mean there are 4 million people in Croatia.
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I dont think it's just a mental thing. As you state: the defence is weak. You cant take a unit like that into a tournament and get away with it. That's just been underlined again.

I think Southgate also should have put Phillips straight back in. Him and Rice were astounding in the Euros. Putting that rancid Kopite in was a major error.
 

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