JLW
Player Valuation: £60m
Where do you stand regarding the manager if and it’s quite probable that we lose our next 2 games against Spurs and City?
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The players get to take the blame for the home form but he masterminded all of our away wins? We were very lucky to accrue as many points as we did last season. At no point did we look a good team.
We weren't that good, we were very methodical and dull to watch.
But that squad is not good, as we are all aware.
I liked him as a manager, I'm still sad he left, and even more sad we brought in such a poor replacement.
I would still have appointed Arteta though when Silva left lol
Fair enough. I could never take to Ancelotti as he clearly didn’t give a toss and was here topping up his pension, and the performances of the players bore that out on the pitch. The last couple of seasons have been more grim and depressing than the Smith era.
We should’ve got Moyes after Silva imo.
whiteshadow
Player Valuation: £20m
Yeah, he should have just replaced the majority of the squad with the 1.7m we gave him to spend.
What a stupid fat, spanish waiter he is. Just using those same, crap players when he could have gone and got some more with all that money.
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Another great point ...
I was very against Moyes at the time but you could well be right.
I don't think it's as simple as saying he's done well at West Ham so would do well again here though. I tend to think going back anywhere again in any profession isn't generally a great idea. But equally, as a counter, it's very hard to see how he would have done much worse, especially with recruitment.
Marius57
Player Valuation: £60m
When some of the benitez boys were posting that 14th was acceptable with our squad what else do you expect. Expectations been lowered by media, the board, the manager and his fan boys so that people believe 10th and 12th is an achievement and better than we should do and was a major success previously. We should be always targeting Europe.
Funnily, I found a post by one of them about Silva still not having been sacked in 2019 stating "our fans need help they have turned into bournemouth fans happy making up the numbers and not being relegated".
Funny how things go round.
Were they saying 14th was acceptable, or where they saying they expected to finish 14th?
I’ve never thought Benitez would get us any higher than mid table, because that’s the level of manager he is and that’s the level of our squad.
Diogenes the Cynic
Player Valuation: £40m
I think discussion of his performance is absolutely fair and if there aren't signs of improvement soon then he should be shot out of the Goodison cannon like anyone else.
I find it difficult to evaluate that performance properly right now without him being given a transfer budget and serving time in the role especially when I personally saw good signs with results when he had a full squad. We all saw last season how results fell off a cliff without Doucoure.
A lot of people didn't want Benitez due to his having managed the rs. This is not in dispute. A lot of these people are now covering this up or using it as only partial reason for why they don't want him here based on recent results.
People can say what they want to be honest, I'm losing interest in the discussion in here recently because it appears entrenched bias is too much to overcome.
Och aye Derek, right ye are.
Diogenes the Cynic
Player Valuation: £40m
I'd want to look at performances as well as results.
If the players look like they aren't playing for a manager at any time then it is always worth considering if the manager is correct for the position.
Of course we've all seen these players down tools for any numbers of managers and if it were possible they'd have been first out of the door for every manager since Martinez.
Marius57
Player Valuation: £60m
14th was acceptable followed by a load of excuses as to why
Everyone is entrenched because we appointed a very divisive manager. That's the point I've been making.
They knew what would happen by appointing Benitez. It didn't take a genius to predict this. Everyone needs to try and take a step back but it's hard in football. Losing brings an emotional response and that's because people care.
Carloblues
Player Valuation: £30m
Who's asked him to go out and spend money?
He's picked players who are bang out of form continuesly, despite having other options on the bench ( very limited options at the moment ) BUT options.
Rondon played 90 minutes about 6 games in a row and genuinely didn't do anything, not a single thing in those games that was even remotely decent l.
Iwobi is a mess of a footballer, am absolute myth, yet when fit he seemingly always starts over Gordon who to me has actually been one of our only decent performers of the last month or so.
Micheal Keane started the season with about 8 mistakes and still kept playing the next game.
Coleman should be banished out of the club.
Again the options to replace these out of form players arent great and in some cases are very raw/equally bad. But when someone plays rancid for a number of games he shouldn't play again for a few games regardless of how bad the options are.
But kudos for you effort.
Theoneandonly
Player Valuation: £10m
Same talk happens at every club. Manager loses a few games, then the fans say they should be looking at Potter, Dyche, Howe, any other British manager. I bet if you go back 5 to 10 years it would have been should be looking at Allardyce, Bruce, Pardew, Hughes. Etc
The problem is certain managers are suited to certain clubs. Howe built a legacy at Bournemouth over several years. Dyche did the same at Burnley, Potter at Brighton. Would they come here and hit the ground running, possibly, possibly not. They only look so good because they've been given time to develop their squads and build a system. Which is what Rafael should be allowed to do here. Look at Moyes, built a legacy here, went to Man Utd, wasn't allowed time and faltered.
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