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2021/22 Rafael Benitez

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Egil Olsen said:
Although I was neither over-enthusiastic about hiring Benitez and do not share his football philosophy, Benitez is without a doubt a manager who possesses a lot of knowledge and experience. Seems a bit petty to discredit Benitez for this, as some do. He also has relevant experience, and is used to working with players who are not necessarily world-class. At the same time, he is a manager who is not afraid of confrontations.

Still, he needs results like other managers, and he can not continue in the same trend. But I fear more what a possible firing of Benitez will lead to, than what will happen if we give Benitez more time. I believe that Benitez can, at least for a transitional period, be a manager who gives the club stability, at the same time as unpopular decisions are made.
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You’re describing Sam Allardyce there and what did that leave us with - Tosun and Walcott. Who by the way, hi
Egil Olsen said:
Ideally, of course, it is not ok. I completely disagree with the way EFC has been governed. Benitez was also not optimal employment, far from it, and I'm not thrilled with his football philosophy either. But having said that, once we have put ourselves in this situation, we must at least give Benitez time, as long as we do not have a clearly better alternative. And no, Lampard is not a better option, or the same type of managers. In that case, we will only repeat the circle.

Although I was neither over-enthusiastic about hiring Benitez and do not share his football philosophy, Benitez is without a doubt a manager who possesses a lot of knowledge and experience. Seems a bit petty to discredit Benitez for this, as some do. He also has relevant experience, and is used to working with players who are not necessarily world-class. At the same time, he is a manager who is not afraid of confrontations.

Still, he needs results like other managers, and he can not continue in the same trend. But I fear more what a possible firing of Benitez will lead to, than what will happen if we give Benitez more time. I believe that Benitez can, at least for a transitional period, be a manager who gives the club stability, at the same time as unpopular decisions are made.
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You’ve basically described Sam Allardyce there. There’s no more thought behind this appointment or reason to be optimistic. What did he leave us with? Tosun and Walcott, how did that work out?

He’s certainly making unpopular decisions and is making himself unpopular. You’re assuming unpopular decisions equals good decisions, possibly because previous popular decisions haven’t worked out well. Sadly a misplaced fallacy.
 
blulouie said:
Again & again you quote this.

Yet again i ask you ....Luis Diaz , Correa , Dunfries & Patterson ?
Just phantom bids David , or just your man Jaffa wouldnt sign them off ?

Pathetic really.
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lol

Because that's all he had to spend from Brands...which is why the Dutch divvy had to be ousted by Benitez.
 

davek said:
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Because that's all he had to spend from Brands...which is why the Dutch divvy had to be ousted by Benitez.
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What do you think we'll achieve under Rafael? His tactics, which were pretty new on the scene back when he won the CL 15 odd years ago are now in Football Management 101... They've been figured out by the industry itself. Same with the set piece set up. It'll never work. I honestly think now we'd get nowhere under him if he had 200mil to spend in January. I don't think this is a money issue at all and it's why a French International Attacking Fullback called out his tactics
 
davek said:
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Because that's all he had to spend from Brands...which is why the Dutch divvy had to be ousted by Benitez.
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So again

Where they just figments of the imagination ?
You widely critcised the Patterson bid , 8 to 10 mil wasnt it ?
Diaz bid of 32 mil failed in the last hours of the window.
Correa chose to stay in Italy 20 to 22 mil.
Jaffa pulled the plug on Dunfries ( as he wanted a more experienced RB ) for around 12 to 15 mil.

Just keep spewing out your 1.7 mil , if you feel it makes you look more credible ......not.
 
Toffeepot said:
I was looking at his career stats earlier and there is a steady decline over the years since his peak. This is what stubborn conservatism does to people, they end up backwards
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I looked too he has declined year on year. Some managers decline look at Mourinhio the game has moved on. His tactics are over a decade out of date. Yesterday the latest example.
 

billyblue80 said:
I looked too he has declined year on year. Some managers decline look at Mourinhio the game has moved on. His tactics are over a decade out of date. Yesterday the latest example.
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One of the reasons Alex Ferguson stayed at the top was because he was willing to evolve, bringing in the likes of Carlos Querez etc, not many have that quality and rest on their laurels. Mourinho has been found out too but was at a higher level than RB anyway so is still somewhat capable of competing at the top. I don't think Moshiri understands this at all and is blinded by the past successes. Viera slapping us around highlighted itin the latest example like you say and Gerrard will likely do it too, at Goodison, soon, which will be horrible
 
Some of our fans have really taken all the silly sound bites to heart haven't they? Sacking managers is now the worst thing in the world to them because we've apparently done it so often in recent years (a whopping three times in nine years since Moyes left!). It obviously hasn't dawned on them that all our sackings, yes, again all three of them (because part time managers don't count for anyone looking to debate this) where completely justified. Seriously people, tell me with your hand on your heart if you honestly believe that Martinez or Koeman or Silva deserved more time. Because if you do then you deserve Benitez and the dumpster fire that is EFC in 2021. Ffs, our problem has never been about who we sacked. Its always been about terrible, horrendous recruitment. On every level the recruitment at our club has been an unmitigated disaster. And its been this way for years. Literally years. Our scouts are terrible. Our players are terrible. And our managers have been the worst of the bunch. Ffs just stop living in dream world and pretending that just blindly sticking to the latest trainwreck manager will fix anything because it demonstrably won't.
 
Gwladysstreetlad said:
Ffs, our problem has never been about who we sacked. Its always been about terrible, horrendous recruitment. On every level the recruitment at our club has been an unmitigated disaster. And its been this way for years. Literally years. Our scouts are terrible. Our players are terrible. And our managers have been the worst of the bunch. Ffs just stop living in dream world and pretending that just blindly sticking to the latest trainwreck manager will fix anything because it demonstrably won't.
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Bingo.

Nail on head.

Love that “it ain’t who we fire, it’s who we hire” bit.

It is never too early, or too late, to fire a failing manager,

And this Benitez fellow is failing big style.
 
Michael Ball in the Echo has it spot on, he said we played Palace with 3 in the middle for more possession and they totally over ran us with that 77% in their favour, he then sets us up to nick a goal on the counter ? against Palace FFS

He has been here now for several months and who can say what exactly is our style of play??? Because to me we don't have one it's just try to nick one and hang on
 

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