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2021/22 Rafael Benitez

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Saint Domingo said:
At least let Benitez get rid of some of the players first. The only benefit of having an unpopular manager is he can make a clean sweep of the place unemcumbered by trying to keep anyone on side. He’s already taken Brands out who people had wanted gone for ages.

Why would anyone want a new manager coming into this squad. Turning up to the changing rooms and seeing Coleman Keane and Davies ‘ready to work hard for the new manager’. At least let Benitez flush the turds our first. It’s probably the only benefit of him being here yet some want him out before he can even get on with the job.

Benitez to wipe the slate clean, then a new manager to come in when he actually has a chance of succeeding. As long as the players are here, the performance level won’t change much regardless of who the manager is. So we could make a short term change, spend a lot of money doing so, and start a rebuilding cycle all over again with another manager who we’ll all hate within 12 months when he loses loads of games (which he will with these players), or we can continue to go through the pain with a manager everyone already hates, let him get some of these clowns out of the club, then give a new manager a decent chance to actually succeed.
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The ‘turds he’s flushed out’ so far are James Rodriguez, Moise Kean and Lucas Digne. Seems to be working on Richarlison next.

Give this fella free reign in January and you will be pining for the days of Steve Walsh.
 
BigDuncTributeBand said:
Totally agree but I’d add a third, team spirit. He’s killed it, they look beaten and totally dispirited. He sets the mood of the group, it’s a huge part of being a manager.

Look at someone like Burnley, Championship squad but Dyche has them all singing off the same hymn sheet and has fostered a spirit and togetherness. Rafael’s done the opposite and it doesn’t cost any money, it’s purely down to man management of individuals and of the group.
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You'd just kill to see an iota of passion like this from the dressing room...



But I'm not holding my breath :(
 
Saint Domingo said:
At least let Benitez get rid of some of the players first. The only benefit of having an unpopular manager is he can make a clean sweep of the place unemcumbered by trying to keep anyone on side. He’s already taken Brands out who people had wanted gone for ages.

Why would anyone want a new manager coming into this squad. Turning up to the changing rooms and seeing Coleman Keane and Davies ‘ready to work hard for the new manager’. At least let Benitez flush the turds our first. It’s probably the only benefit of him being here yet some want him out before he can even get on with the job.

Benitez to wipe the slate clean, then a new manager to come in when he actually has a chance of succeeding. As long as the players are here, the performance level won’t change much regardless of who the manager is. So we could make a short term change, spend a lot of money doing so, and start a rebuilding cycle all over again with another manager who we’ll all hate within 12 months when he loses loads of games (which he will with these players), or we can continue to go through the pain with a manager everyone already hates, let him get some of these clowns out of the club, then give a new manager a decent chance to actually succeed.
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The very few good players we have will be the ones who will want out if we keep Benitez. Hes already fallen out with Digne and Richarlison because he enjoys confrontation.

He won't get rid of the poor players we all don't rate. It will be our handful of decent players who go. Lose our two centre forwards and this is a possible relegation side. And why would they want to stay at thos shambolic club?
 

Saint Domingo said:
It exactly fits my narrative. Down to a tee. Just carries on the trend of rushing towards the next PL manager who has won a few games. Last season it was Hasenhuttl, Bielsa, Smith, Rodgers, Potter. Look where some of them are now. I bet Gerrard will be in a world of pain in 12 months time because most premier league managers outside the top 6 are at some point. Which just reinforces my point that there’s no miracle silver bullet manager who is going to impose some new progressive philosophy on these players and suddenly have them flying and building year after year. The players are rubbish. A lot best another manager might get a brief spark out of them but then they’d just revert to the mean just like Southamptons did, just like Villas did, just like Leeds have. Changing manager only loses us money we can’t afford to lose and starts yet another cycle all over again.
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Our manager has us in free fall now. More injuries, therefore more excuses. At some point he has to start winning games and stop whining about the backroom staff, the fans and, yes, the injuries. We were dominated by Palace. Crystal sodding Palace, it's shameful.
 
Nymzee said:
If we did get relegated, or were on the verge, he’d have to get sacked. Think of the legendary status he’d pile on over the park? We’d have to fold as a club afterwards.
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We're making a kopite hero one of the highest paid managers in the league to do this to us,and some of our own fans are making every excuse imaginable for this lfc legend .
 
MACCA75 said:
The ‘turds he’s flushed out’ so far are James Rodriguez, Moise Kean and Lucas Digne. Seems to be working on Richarlison next.

Give this fella free reign in January and you will be pining for the days of Steve Walsh.
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It is terrifying, according to the pro-Benitez lobby everything is going to be great when we sell Mina, Richarlison and Digne (I've even heard some add DCL to that list). Name me three players you would want at the club once that lot are gone. Gray? Godfrey? Who else?
 
Even though the form this season should be enough to see any manager sacked, I genuinely don't think there is any chance his job is in danger.

The terrible signings accumulated over the previous five years have severely hamstrung his ability to add quality to the squad, while the woeful luck with injuries has proven just too much to ask a bench full of genuine League One players to perform in this division.

Maybe one or the other (having the few signings he made and no injuries, or having been able to add better quality to the squad to counter a long injury list) may have seen us perform better, but he really does have pretty good reasons why we are where we are.

And I don't like him one bit, but no manager in world football could get the likes of Coleman, Keane, Holgate, Davies, Iwobi, Rondon looking like professional Premier League footballers, I don't care who it is.

I can see a point from the next three games at best, but more likely is we're roundly beaten by genuinely better squads in Chelsea and Leicester, and Burnley have much more will and desire to beat us.

Then it's Newcastle at home, and we all know how that one is likely to play out. Could easily be four more defeats on the spin, which would see us drop to 17th or 18th by the turn of the year.

No doubt at that stage he would be fired, but unless all injuries magically clear up, you might as well give the job to Duncan and tell him his goal is to get us promoted back to the Premier League next season.
 

windymiller said:
It is terrifying, according to the pro-Benitez lobby everything is going to be great when we sell Mina, Richarlison and Digne (I've even heard some add DCL to that list). Name me three players you would want at the club once that lot are gone. Gray? Godfrey? Who else?
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I'd sell them all as well to be honest.

We need a complete rebuild, a complete reset at the club that in theory is brilliant but realistically would be suicide in our current circumstances sadly.

But if you gave me selling them players (who will want out anyway given the mess we are in) and invested that money on creating a long term squad that could have us competing with a manager that could take us there? I'd bite your hand off.

That's the part we need to remember. Richarlison lewen digne etc , they don't hate us, but you have to look at their careers and consider if being here is worth their time or not. So keeping our best players is great and all but if you could turn those 3 alone into 6 players for the squad who were young enough and good enough long term to take the club much higher, that is what we have to consider to be the best course of action.

However given the entire mess, lack of dof (or complete control for one) and faltering manager, we also can't sell them willingly or we will go down.
 
Earwigjoe said:
We're making a kopite hero one of the highest paid managers in the league to do this to us,and some of our own fans are making every excuse imaginable for this lfc legend .
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I don’t think anyones delighted here. I think we are seeing that we are in a pretty crap position due to 6 years of complete mismanagement that has seen us with no funds and no team. No one has given us a suitable replacement that could do better here.
Benetez won’t be here in two years. But we probably need him for the next 18months to tread water, clear out the dross and get us back on track financially.
Fasten your seat belt and it’s going to bumpy journey.
 

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