2021/22 Rafael Benitez

[Armaghtoffee]

It may well be weird but it could also be progressive

I don’t think many clubs are tapping into it although there are examples of some that have supportive fan bases and do better on the pitch as a result

Think about it - if you have 30,000 people standing round the side of the football pitch - their actions can have a bearing on results (think re the support vs Arsenal on Monday)

Perhaps some innovative thinking could lead to a different level of fan engagement that helped the team’s success

It seems to me the Everton fan base is more negative than some at present

We are just over a year away from Spirit of the Blues and sitting top 4 for Christmas. It was a joy being a Toffee.

Now we have that manager and the team in free fall under him. We’re entitled to be vocal about how we feel.

 

[ToffeeTim]

Have also followed the club for 30+ years - not looking down on but seeing big opportunities to improve the way some fans engage, in order to help the success of the club

It may well not be possible though. I don’t think jumping from manager to manager will help though - who would be next and what would happen when they hit a bad patch? At some point someone needs a chance to build something

We’d hoped that would be Ancelotti - him leaving in the way he did is the root cause of some of the issues now and hence think some patience is needed to turn it round

It's about results. When you get only 5 points from 10 games then you need results and fast. If we lose the next 2 games then it would be negligence to let him stay in position.

These are unprecedented results. They are the worst of my lifetime. Are people not allowed to be disappointed and strive for better?

 

[Nyhus]

Do you expect a hammering in your job if going through a difficult patch or do you appreciate some positive teamwork through tough times?

if i perform Benny levels bad at my job, ill get fired.

 

[Papa Shango]

They never got judged through an injury crisis as soon as he walked through the door.

People wanted Potter as manager and his team Brighton have not won in ten games.. the longest run without a win in the league.. some people should be careful what they wish for.

Yeah that's awful!

And yet they are still above us...

Mad eh?

 

[Brownie]

“Everybody can see the top sides normally have the possession and are on top of you, they push and push."

Can't remember the other one exactly, but this is the second time I've noticed him talking about "the top sides". Small-club mentality.

 

[nsno-chris]

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The Benitez Six can sniff it

 

[Dixieslaces]

It may well be weird but it could also be progressive

I don’t think many clubs are tapping into it although there are examples of some that have supportive fan bases and do better on the pitch as a result

Think about it - if you have 30,000 people standing round the side of the football pitch - their actions can have a bearing on results (think re the support vs Arsenal on Monday)

Perhaps some innovative thinking could lead to a different level of fan engagement that helped the team’s success

It seems to me the Everton fan base is more negative than some at present

So basically we say, "whato chaps not your finest 90 minutes, but I applaud the attempt" "see you next Saturday boys for hopefully a better result but no worries if not, it's only a game after all!"

I'm all for a bit of diversity, mental wellbeing and inclusion but it doesn't extend to not telling my team that they are shoite if they are actually shoite!

 

[Kev50]

Ah. It's the fans fault again. We should clap and cheer only no matter what is served up to us. Got it.

you'd never think would you that we are one point behind schedule to match last season listening to Windy. Or that Benitez has only been in charge for the first three months of season one. Or that we'd had the injury crisis from hell.
It's now more than ever that the club needs this sterling support. It's what our success in the lsat thirty years has been based on.
Never change Windy.

 

[Papa Shango]

Have also followed the club for 30+ years - not looking down on but seeing big opportunities to improve the way some fans engage, in order to help the success of the club

It may well not be possible though. I don’t think jumping from manager to manager will help though - who would be next and what would happen when they hit a bad patch? At some point someone needs a chance to build something

We’d hoped that would be Ancelotti - him leaving in the way he did is the root cause of some of the issues now and hence think some patience is needed to turn it round

Ancelotti leaving doesn't have much to do with the situation.

He was another ill suited manager appointed by our idiot owner. But at least he was likable (and had an incredible record before us) that's why he got a much easier ride.

 

[ForeverEverton]

I give up Southampton going to Palace and winning at HT, we looked absolutely petrified.... We are going down, Southampton above us as it stands, we do have a game in hand v Chelsea away tomorrow.......

Only Leeds and Watford between us and Relegation Zone

 

[Papa Shango]

Have also followed the club for 30+ years - not looking down on but seeing big opportunities to improve the way some fans engage, in order to help the success of the club

It may well not be possible though. I don’t think jumping from manager to manager will help though - who would be next and what would happen when they hit a bad patch? At some point someone needs a chance to build something

We’d hoped that would be Ancelotti - him leaving in the way he did is the root cause of some of the issues now and hence think some patience is needed to turn it round

Nobody wants to jump from manager to manager though.

Some just want to jump from THIS manager.

 

[ranxerox]

It may well be weird but it could also be progressive

I don’t think many clubs are tapping into it although there are examples of some that have supportive fan bases and do better on the pitch as a result

Think about it - if you have 30,000 people standing round the side of the football pitch - their actions can have a bearing on results (think re the support vs Arsenal on Monday)

Perhaps some innovative thinking could lead to a different level of fan engagement that helped the team’s success

It seems to me the Everton fan base is more negative than some at present

Maybe you can work on creating a new song for the supporters featuring “doubleplusgood”

 

[stretford blue]

I give up Southampton going to Palace and winning at HT, we looked absolutely petrified.... We are going down, Southampton above us as it stands, we do have a game in hand v Chelsea away tomorrow.......

Only Leeds and Watford between us and Relegation Zone

Benitez said today we were going in the right direction well we are going in a direction not sure it's the right one

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

I don’t believe he is - the premier league is a difficult competition - he has a good track record and should be able to deliver if he’s given time and support

He’s 61 which is a good age for a manager - balance of experience but still we should be able to get a few good years from him

Our worst run of results in decades, and you come back with “it’s a difficult competition”. What is this “track record” you speak of? I assume you’re talking about the things he did 7+ years ago? Or perhaps you’re talking about relegation with Newcastle? Or failing in China?

“A good few years” eh? Well that’s a positive. I wonder how many more runs of 1 win in 10 we have to look forward to in those good few years?

There’s no possible way you’re not on a windup.

 

[Legend78]

Funnily enough similar points were made about who could we get around the time of Mike Walker’s sacking and Walter Smith. Those changes worked although clearly others haven’t. There are no guarantees which certainly makes me a nervous bunny.
Speaking personally I don’t have such a wide knowledge of managers around the world to give specific names but I would say the type can be described. Younger, less antagonistic,less manipulative, less controversial, less prone to blame others when things go wrong, less likely to provoke confrontation, more likely to promote youth and play attacking football rather than park the bus and hope to counter as the default.
But while it is true that person might be hard to find it has to be weighed against the performance of the current incumbent which is why I asked you earlier which elements of being a manager you think Benitez is performing well at the moment. I am still interested in hearing you opinion on that if you have a minute.

I have read through your post and think you have made some valid points, will go through some if I may...

When Mike Walker left and Walter Smith came in Everton Football Club were still regarded as a biggish club.. still a big draw for a manager and Everton had been League Champions less than ten years before.. the club was at the time still regarded as one of the so called big five..

Now fast forward to now.. the Club has remained trophyless for coming up to thirty years, they are no longer regarded by the footballing community as a big club only by its own fans and have had manager revolving door as fast as Real Madrid last five or six years. What I am trying to get across is the Club is no longer as attractive as it once was so bringing in top managers is virtually impossible.

The other point you make about maybe a young and up and coming manager.. keen to make a go of it coming in is also unfortunately going to be just as difficult.. the have seen first hand with the treatment of Benitez there is a fanbase here who don’t give managers time.. don’t excuse terrible injury crisis and don’t care if the manager gets no real money.. they would basically eat a young manager with no real experience alive.. which young manager wants to risk his reputation or cut his teeth in such a poisonous environment.

Your final point about what Benitez has done well since he has been here is a difficult one to answer but will try to give you my thoughts.. I think in some situations the man has not helped himself and like all managers with hindsight he could of done better.. I think he knows more than most of us regarding what’s going on behind scenes so maybe that’s why certain players don’t play.. do play or get left out for certain reasons we know nothing about.. look at the Richarlison situation against Palace when he was dragged off.. we never knew the extent of the injury but he did.. he has the experience in the game to know what makes a successful football club he has managed Liverpool.. Madrid.. Inter Milan and Chelsea he can’t of gone there and not seen how they tick.. this is why he has started the build.. upsetting people too comfy in there positions.. won the battle over transfers with Brands.. got stuck into the medical set up all things he feels he can do better with with full control.. the problem is you want get to see the benefits overnight and fans or should I say the SKY Sports brigade won’t wait.. it’s just a modern fan thing no patience...

The club won’t get relagated that’s a fact.. even the most anti Benitez fan knows there are far worse teams below and they also know deep down once the injury list clears and a kinder run of fixtures come in.. the club will move up the table..