2021/22 Rafael Benitez

[Charles Hawtrey]

Beating Lampards Chelsea at home is not the same as beating the Chelsea under Tuchel that won the CL

I dont think we could beat either tomorrow, by a long stretch...

 

[blue to the bone]

Anyone who identifies Barry Horne as a legend is eirher delusional or a wum.
Either explains the posts

 

[Dixieslaces]

Are we in Trump land?

Random

 

[roy vernon]

set pieces have been snot to bits with the loss of Mina and Dcl. We played an unfit Richi against Palace, hardly surprising we didn't play on the front foot. We were beating Watford with ten minutes to go, just one of those things. I can see you have doubts Roy, am I right? In which case, I would suggest that we judge him once the key players are back from injury, and he's been allowed to spend some money, wheel and deal some of the duffers out of the club.

It may well be too late if we give him that long and as for signings, I don’t think he’ll get any unless we sell. It’s probably a good thing too, he knows his job is in jeopardy, I think he would be likely to sign more journeyman older players on high wages to try and improve things in the short term. The problem with that is if it didn’t lead to a significant improvement, and I don’t think it would, then he will be sacked by the end of the season any way.

Once he has gone, if he is allowed to spend this season, there is every likelihood that the over paid, ageing players who are out of contract in the summer, will have been replaced with more overpaid ageing players and our financial position will not have improved in the way it should.

I really believe we have to appoint a manager and stick with him, just not this one. Even a Benitez defender like yourself must be able to see that he is just not the man for this job. I think he is past it and even in his younger successful days his football was not good to watch, but, even if I am wrong and he does still have some ability as a manager, he will never be the right man for Everton. He’ll always be 2 defeats from people wanting him out.

 

[Marius57]

I’m not sure anyone has put any win down to Benitez’s tactics. Honestly most of these exchanges are people making up wild accusations like:

‘He’s lost all the players’

‘He’s forcing our best players out’

‘We’re getting relegated’

‘I can’t see where the next win is coming from’


When you point out that these things are either unlikely or just factually incorrect you then get accused of massively fan boying Benitez. I’m not sure I’ve read a single post that has praised his tactics or credited them for getting a win. It’s not irrational to point out the logical fallacy of crediting the fans and players for every win but blaming the manager for every loss.

Like I say, it goes both ways.

Every game we have lost has been blamed on Coleman for making mistakes, Godfrey for making mistakes, Keane for making mistakes etc etc etc.

 

[BigDuncTributeBand]

Come on - you can’t take zero responsibility and take pot shots from the sidelines at those in there doing it…

Erm, I think I can actually.

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

A matter of opinion I guess - he came 15th, 7th and 17th in his first 3 seasons - so presumably the 7th earnt him the patience with the 17th?

But the fact was expectations were lower when he joined as previous few years we’d been bottom half

He raised expectations by delivering decent league positions on limited resources

But these days not many managers would be afforded coming as close to relegation as that 17th

1. It’s not a matter of opinion - he never had a run as bad as the one we’re on now. You saying that he did was a lie.
2. He finished 15th after steering us away from relegation after taking over in March. Coincidentally the same month of the year when Benitez took over Newcastle and steered them…. into the Championship.
3. That 7th place was the highest we’d finished in years.
4. While we did indeed finish 17th, we were never “close to relegation” - we were safe with about 6-8 games spare, then after that had a bad run at the end of the season which makes it look on paper much closer than it ever was in reality

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

Really? Seems the denial of fact and bullying is coming more from other quarters - which isn’t unusual when it comes to tribalism…

Which “facts” are people other than you denying? Do tell. You on the other hand lied in saying David Moyes had a run as bad as Benitez.

Or maybe you didn’t lie, and just have no earthly idea what you’re talking about.

Which is it?

 

[Dixieslaces]

I’m not sure anyone has put any win down to Benitez’s tactics. Honestly most of these exchanges are people making up wild accusations like:

‘He’s lost all the players’

‘He’s forcing our best players out’

‘We’re getting relegated’

‘I can’t see where the next win is coming from’


When you point out that these things are either unlikely or just factually incorrect you then get accused of massively fan boying Benitez. I’m not sure I’ve read a single post that has praised his tactics or credited them for getting a win. It’s not irrational to point out the logical fallacy of crediting the fans and players for every win but blaming the manager for every loss.

A number of posters did, myself included give credit when it was due, unfortunately that is such a rare occurrence now, the death knell has truly sounded.

If we give credit, it has to work in reverse, a harsh reality but reality all the same.

 

[Efcjake]

I’m not sure anyone has put any win down to Benitez’s tactics. Honestly most of these exchanges are people making up wild accusations like:

‘He’s lost all the players’

‘He’s forcing our best players out’

‘We’re getting relegated’

‘I can’t see where the next win is coming from’


When you point out that these things are either unlikely or just factually incorrect you then get accused of massively fan boying Benitez. I’m not sure I’ve read a single post that has praised his tactics or credited them for getting a win. It’s not irrational to point out the logical fallacy of crediting the fans and players for every win but blaming the manager for every loss.

I gave him credit for our run at the beginning of the season. Vault me.

 

[4737carlin]

I dont think we could beat either tomorrow, by a long stretch...

I don't, but then again who wants to do Liverpool a favour? Not even Rafael would want to help them.

 

[Dixieslaces]

Really? Seems the denial of fact and bullying is coming more from other quarters - which isn’t unusual when it comes to tribalism…

Is this your agenda?

If so, you really need to take a long hard look at yourself.

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

I’m not sure anyone has put any win down to Benitez’s tactics. Honestly most of these exchanges are people making up wild accusations like:

‘He’s lost all the players’

‘He’s forcing our best players out’

‘We’re getting relegated’

‘I can’t see where the next win is coming from’


When you point out that these things are either unlikely or just factually incorrect you then get accused of massively fan boying Benitez. I’m not sure I’ve read a single post that has praised his tactics or credited them for getting a win. It’s not irrational to point out the logical fallacy of crediting the fans and players for every win but blaming the manager for every loss.

You’ve clearly not been paying much attention. He got plenty of credit early in the season. Of course some of us also mentioned that we had an almost historically easy run to start the season.

 

[Dixieslaces]

I don't, but then again who wants to do Liverpool a favour? Not even Rafael would want to help them.

@davek Seems to !!

 

[Dixieslaces]

I don't, but then again who wants to do Liverpool a favour? Not even Rafael would want to help them.

It's an odd logic that you both share, you and @davek

Never want us to lose, ever. Even at the expense of them winning something.