2021/22 Rafael Benitez

[Egil Olsen]

That's twisting it though. Digne is an important factor in attack and he is naturally a more attacking left back than a defensive one. Asking him to stop attacking (removing his possibility if assisting which we know is one of his best qualities) appears nonsensical.

False. He has said that Digne must to a greater extent assess the team's balance before he attacks. Nothing in the statistics indicates that he has stopped attacking.

You (and others in support of benitez) keep saying he needs to bring players in to suit his style. I'm still unclear what style that is because we don't have a visible one currently, unless that is sitting back, riding our luck and hoping for one chance.

Yes, at times it has been like that. So criticism of how we have appeared in many matches is completely legitimate.

But, in the absence of him having been able to bring his own players, he needs to adapt to what he has. Players suit different styles, and expecting them to just slot into his style is madness, especially when it takes away the better part of their game.

On a team you have quite a few players, which means quite a few permutations. It is impossible for a manager to take all of these into account. He can of course adjust, but there will always be some players who are dissatisfied.

Use Keane for example. He looked great at Burnley who play incredibly defensive. He has looked weaker when we have tried to be more expansive. But last year, when ancelotti went defensive, he was being raved about as our best defender again. As his strengths were being played to.

Yes, but there were also some Everton players who were not allowed to use their strengths. Richarlison was e.g. wingback at times, and had to cover for Digne, among other things.

Until he can bring in his own players, surely a good manager would be able to be flexible and work with what he has got and get the most out of them?

Well, but you should also be able to expect it from the players, be flexible. You belong to a team, a collective, and to quote Fergusen:

“In my business, togetherness is not just a nice concept that you can take or leave according to taste. If you do not have it, you are nothing. Selfishness, factionalism, cliquishness are all death to a football team… As a manager in football, I have never been interested in simply sending out a collection of brilliant individuals. There is no substitute to talent but, on the field, talent without unity of purpose is hopelessly devalued currency".

 

[Legend78]

You are not an Everton supporter lad, so try not to sneer at Evertonians that don’t share your views.
You have no investment in this discussion and therefore your arguments carry little weight anyway.
Why get involved in issues that do not concern you?

You do not have to have to an Evertonian to take part in the forum or don’t you read the posts from the moderator..

If you are a sensible fan who puts across valid reasons then it’s in everybodies interest to listen.. take on board and then either agree with them or debate them on the forum... what on earth has what team somebody supports got to do with it.. you can’t judge anybody by who they support just what they say and if it makes sense or not which is important..

If an Evertonian said Howard Kendall was a lucky manager rather than a good manager and. a Man United fan came on and said Duncan Ferguson was arguably the best header of the ball in Premiership history.. you telling me you would dismiss the United fans point and discuss the point made by the Evertonian based on who they support...

Be sensible lad please...

 

[Saint Domingo]

Yes but don't you think he should be able to justify his tactics to one of our better players?

These players are abysmal. They should just be doing exactly what they’re told. Imagine turning out the complete tripe they have for years, and then thinking you deserve the right to have tactics justified to you by a new manager.

I could understand if this was a title winning team but they’re a collection of spineless cowards. I couldn’t care less which players get moved on or hacked off by Benitez, the squad has needed gutting for ages.

 

[nsno-chris]

You do not have to have to an Evertonian to take part in the forum or don’t you read the posts from the moderator..

If you are a sensible fan who puts across valid reasons then it’s in everybodies interest to listen.. take on board and then either agree with them or debate them on the forum... what on earth has what team somebody supports got to do with it.. you can’t judge anybody by who they support just what they say and if it makes sense or not which is important..

If an Evertonian said Howard Kendall was a lucky manager rather than a good manager and. a Man United fan came on and said Duncan Ferguson was arguably the best header of the ball in Premiership history.. you telling me you would dismiss the United fans point and discuss the point made by the Evertonian based on who they support...

Be sensible lad please...

even more head patting from big red number 1 fan

 

[Eggsyblueskin]

This is an issue which is dividing Evertonians as it is and it certainly doesn’t help when some half interested no mark insists on butting in with his own unsolicited points of view about a club he has no emotional ties to.
I mean the odd passing comment is understandable but not this intense lobbying you are engaged in,
So do me a favour lad and keep your nose out of our business ,which doesn’t concern you anyway, and concentrate on supporting your own team , whoever that may be.
We’ll sort it out between ourselves , Cheers.

 

[kenada_blue]

Given the last 5 years or so, I’m not sure any Everton player should be offering an opinion on how to improve results.

If the manager can't then....who does

 

[Mosh Pit]

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

You do not have to have to an Evertonian to take part in the forum or don’t you read the posts from the moderator..

If you are a sensible fan who puts across valid reasons then it’s in everybodies interest to listen.. take on board and then either agree with them or debate them on the forum... what on earth has what team somebody supports got to do with it.. you can’t judge anybody by who they support just what they say and if it makes sense or not which is important..

If an Evertonian said Howard Kendall was a lucky manager rather than a good manager and. a Man United fan came on and said Duncan Ferguson was arguably the best header of the ball in Premiership history.. you telling me you would dismiss the United fans point and discuss the point made by the Evertonian based on who they support...

Be sensible lad please...

Oh hello mate, you're back. Sorry if I'm queue jumping as I think you've got a lot of posts to respond to, but I'm really eager for you to give us the lowdown on Benitez's time at Dalian and any players it might be worth luring from China. It's all in my earlier post.

Cheers. 非常感谢您的合作，红孩儿

 

[windymiller]

Behave. No scouser supports Dalian Pro - a team that have only been competing professionally since 2010, when they started playing in the third tier of Chinese football.

He's a RS

 

[MACCA75]

He's a RS

This forum would be ten times better with 5 or 6 perma bans.

 

[windymiller]

You do not have to have to an Evertonian to take part in the forum or don’t you read the posts from the moderator..

If you are a sensible fan who puts across valid reasons then it’s in everybodies interest to listen.. take on board and then either agree with them or debate them on the forum... what on earth has what team somebody supports got to do with it.. you can’t judge anybody by who they support just what they say and if it makes sense or not which is important..

If an Evertonian said Howard Kendall was a lucky manager rather than a good manager and. a Man United fan came on and said Duncan Ferguson was arguably the best header of the ball in Premiership history.. you telling me you would dismiss the United fans point and discuss the point made by the Evertonian based on who they support...

Be sensible lad please...

The difference between you and other supporters of non-Everton clubs is that they didn't pretend to be Evertonians whereas you did. Why don't you head back over to RAWK and tell them all how clever you have been and maybe just stay there. Forever.

 

[blueblue]

Literally any one.
I mean, for those 2 things I mentioned, Potter. He wouldn't drive our best players away and the style of football Brighton play is nicer than our 'style'.

Not saying I want Potter, just giving an example for the 2 things that you imply noone else could manage other than benitez.

Graham Potter would be slaughtered at Everton. A run of bad results which would happen, injuries and suspensions thrown into the mix and people would be screaming for his head after a few weeks.

I don't think his appointment would encourage stability.

 

[windymiller]

Graham Potter would be slaughtered at Everton. A run of bad results which would happen, injuries and suspensions thrown into the mix and people would be screaming for his head after a few weeks.

I don't think his appointment would encourage stability.

Does it seem like we have stability at the moment?

It boggles my mind that the pro-Benitez lobby's main argument is that he somehow brings stability when the club both inside and out is in the midst of a civil war. Baffling.

 

[Marius57]

Graham Potter would be slaughtered at Everton. A run of bad results which would happen, injuries and suspensions thrown into the mix and people would be screaming for his head after a few weeks.

I don't think his appointment would encourage stability.

Like I say, I'm not advocating for him. But for the 2 things mentioned, he would be able to manage not driving away our better players and he would manage a better style of play than we have this season.

 

[FrenchDarrenBent]

The difference between you and other supporters of non-Everton clubs is that they didn't pretend to be Evertonians whereas you did. Why don't you head back over to RAWK and tell them all how clever you have been and maybe just stay there. Forever.

Dalian Pro.
Hope he can speak Chinese...