2021/22 Rafael Benitez

[catcherintherye]

I accept some people will never want Benitez as manager even if he won the Premier League and Champions League in the same season.. there hatred and refusal to accept Benitez past will never change.. I don’t agree with that mindset and would rather let a manager prove himself before judging him... it still baffles me a bit that I got things so wrong because I though all Evertonians liked Dave Watson.. Kevin Sheedy.. Peter Reid and later on Peter Beardsley... but because of past red connections they must never of been accepted either just like Benitez.. these people can’t have it both ways a reds a red in there mindset and will never change..

If Benitez does half as well as any of them, he will be a hero here. The issue is, to date he hasn't. We have gone backwards.

 

[Kev The Rat]

It appears that the Benitez lovers are now assessing each defeat as a positive as it somehow proves that the necessary ‘medicine’ (in reality poison) being provided by Benitez is working.

It’s this kind of twisted logic that leaves an open goal for people who appreciate the need for his removal.

 

[banno]

It appears that the Benitez lovers are now assessing each defeat as a positive as it somehow proves that the necessary ‘medicine’ (in reality poison) being provided by Benitez is working.

It’s this kind of twisted logic that leaves an open goal for people who appreciate the need for his removal.

Think it is you with twisted logic. Look at it logically. The haters get Benitez out now.........massive dent in the FFP due to compo....new manager comes in and has to work with the same players. Could be fortunate that all our players have recovered from injury and we once again have the same or similar team that started the season.
Looking at logic we may as well stick with Benitez and see what he does with players that he gets and players that will play to his instruction rather than be pampered. Enough of this having a new manager each time miracles are not performed. We are a mid-table team and that is obvious to the people in the real world so with very little money that will rule out so called top managers. Available to us may be the likes of Ferguson and Rooney.......that would be a massive gamble that is not worth the risk. See how we end the season, see how the summer sales go and who we can bring in with the money from those sales. See if the youngsters can step up and show if they have a chance in the PL. Time for change as these same players have shown nothing to suggest they can gel as a team that will challenge for top 6. A restructure of staff and players is what is needed and unfortunately this will not happen overnight as we have seen over the last 5 or 6 seasons. I really hope Benitez guts this team so we can start afresh. Just for your information even if we had Nunes or Potter in charge now I would be saying the same thing. That is what some people don't understand. Regardless of who was in charge I think most Evertonians would want to stick rather than spin the revolving door for another manager.

 

[nsno-chris]

Got another reprieve fatty.

Your time will come

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

Maybe he couldn’t do anything with the awful players he inherited.. sounds a bit familiar eh... maybe those players already at the club couldn’t fit the system he wanted to play and to be honest I also don’t know if ant injuries played a part in Newcastle’s demise that season, we do know first hand how if your main players are injured or not available it deffo impacts results...

So basically “I have no idea, but whatever happened, it wasn’t his fault”.

Got it

 

[4737carlin]

Another undefeated weak #GoRafa

 

[Thomasc]

Think it is you with twisted logic. Look at it logically. The haters get Benitez out now.........massive dent in the FFP due to compo....new manager comes in and has to work with the same players. Could be fortunate that all our players have recovered from injury and we once again have the same or similar team that started the season.
Looking at logic we may as well stick with Benitez and see what he does with players that he gets and players that will play to his instruction rather than be pampered. Enough of this having a new manager each time miracles are not performed. We are a mid-table team and that is obvious to the people in the real world so with very little money that will rule out so called top managers. Available to us may be the likes of Ferguson and Rooney.......that would be a massive gamble that is not worth the risk. See how we end the season, see how the summer sales go and who we can bring in with the money from those sales. See if the youngsters can step up and show if they have a chance in the PL. Time for change as these same players have shown nothing to suggest they can gel as a team that will challenge for top 6. A restructure of staff and players is what is needed and unfortunately this will not happen overnight as we have seen over the last 5 or 6 seasons. I really hope Benitez guts this team so we can start afresh. Just for your information even if we had Nunes or Potter in charge now I would be saying the same thing. That is what some people don't understand. Regardless of who was in charge I think most Evertonians would want to stick rather than spin the revolving door for another manager.

Regardless of what we all think he’s definitely here for the season, but lets hope no longer than that.

 

[catcherintherye]

Maybe he couldn’t do anything with the awful players he inherited.. sounds a bit familiar eh... maybe those players already at the club couldn’t fit the system he wanted to play and to be honest I also don’t know if ant injuries played a part in Newcastle’s demise that season, we do know first hand how if your main players are injured or not available it deffo impacts results...

But those awful players finished mid table the season before. The sacked a manager for having them near the relegation zone. Not in it.

He had to take some responsibility, he cant keep blaming the players if he gets less out of them than other managers.

 

[Kev The Rat]

Think it is you with twisted logic. Look at it logically. The haters get Benitez out now.........massive dent in the FFP due to compo....new manager comes in and has to work with the same players. Could be fortunate that all our players have recovered from injury and we once again have the same or similar team that started the season.
Looking at logic we may as well stick with Benitez and see what he does with players that he gets and players that will play to his instruction rather than be pampered. Enough of this having a new manager each time miracles are not performed. We are a mid-table team and that is obvious to the people in the real world so with very little money that will rule out so called top managers. Available to us may be the likes of Ferguson and Rooney.......that would be a massive gamble that is not worth the risk. See how we end the season, see how the summer sales go and who we can bring in with the money from those sales. See if the youngsters can step up and show if they have a chance in the PL. Time for change as these same players have shown nothing to suggest they can gel as a team that will challenge for top 6. A restructure of staff and players is what is needed and unfortunately this will not happen overnight as we have seen over the last 5 or 6 seasons. I really hope Benitez guts this team so we can start afresh. Just for your information even if we had Nunes or Potter in charge now I would be saying the same thing. That is what some people don't understand. Regardless of who was in charge I think most Evertonians would want to stick rather than spin the revolving door for another manager.

Loads of nonsense there but a couple of whoppers stick out -

1. He’s not going to get a chance to gut the squad in the way you hope. At least he’s not going to have the funds available to bring in top quality. At best he’s going to have take gambles on unknown quantities at worst bring in rubbish as that’s all that’s available. His strike rate in the summer is 1 from 5 which should tell you something about the success of that strategy.

2. There hasn’t been a ‘revolving door’ at the club - at least not by average length of time for the average premier league manager. Each incumbent apart from Allardyce has got a season and more since Moyes left.

It wouldn’t be par for the course if he didn’t get the season. If anything we’ve been too tolerant of mediocre managers. That has to end.

 

[catcherintherye]

Loads of nonsense there but a couple of whoppers stick out -

1. He’s not going to get a chance to gut the squad in the way you hope. At least he’s not going to have the funds available to bring in top quality. At best he’s going to have take gambles on unknown quantities at worst bring in rubbish as that’s all that’s available. His strike rate in the summer is 1 from 5.

2. There hasn’t been a ‘revolving door’ at the club - at least not by average length of time for the average premier league manager. Each incumbent apart from Allardyce has got a season and more since Moyes left.

It wouldn’t be par for the course if he didn’t get the season. If anything we’ve been too tolerant of mediocre managers.

I think the 1st point is important.

No manager gets the chance to build an entire squad in their own image from recruitment alone. If that's his expectation, and the only way he can be successful he is going to struggle.

In my lifetime, 1 manager has done that- Moyes. It probably.took him 4-5 years until he began to get the players he wanted. Until then he had to improve the existing players we had.

In honesty, there are some positives for him. The Gray signing is good, and I like the pragmatism is seemingly looking to do some business. Some younger players seem to be being targeted too, which is good. But he has to work with, and frankly get more out of the existing squad he has at his disposal.

That will be true for any manager.

 

[Kev The Rat]

I think the 1st point is important.

No manager gets the chance to build an entire squad in their own image from recruitment alone. If that's his expectation, and the only way he can be successful he is going to struggle.

In my lifetime, 1 manager has done that- Moyes. It probably.took him 4-5 years until he began to get the players he wanted. Until then he had to improve the existing players we had.

In honesty, there are some positives for him. The Gray signing is good, and I like the pragmatism is seemingly looking to do some business. Some younger players seem to be being targeted too, which is good. But he has to work with, and frankly get more out of the existing squad he has at his disposal.

That will be true for any manager.

The replace the players angle is similar to a bad workman blaming his tools for me.

Even Ferguson at Utd had some very mediocre squads that won league titles. Moyes got us CL with Marcus Bent. Similarly Kendall in 87 battled through with some iffy players - but that’s what top managers do. Turn average players into very good ones.

 

[banno]

The replace the players angle is similar to a bad workman blaming his tools for me.

Even Ferguson at Utd had some very mediocre squads that won league titles. Moyes got us CL with Marcus Bent. Similarly Kendall in 87 battled through with some iffy players - but that’s what top managers do. Turn average players into very good ones.

Ferguson in each of his barren seasons broke the British transfer records until he achieved success so that is spending big to get the basis of a good team.

You cannot make mediocre players great players but you can turn them into a team eventually 'given time'.

I really do not know what you expect and you again pointed out that we need a top manager.....please explain who this top manager may be and how you would sell the club to them starting with the obvious....we are unable to provide you money to spend....door slams on his way out with loud laughter.

 

[Kev The Rat]

Ferguson in each of his barren seasons broke the British transfer records until he achieved success so that is spending big to get the basis of a good team.

You cannot make mediocre players great players but you can turn them into a team eventually 'given time'.

I really do not know what you expect and you again pointed out that we need a top manager.....please explain who this top manager may be and how you would sell the club to them starting with the obvious....we are unable to provide you money to spend....door slams on his way out with loud laughter.

Any manager who is prepared to actively coach and improve the players not just pick fights with them and wait for the next transfer window (where he has no money to spend anyway)

 

[banno]

Any manager who is prepared to actively coach and improve the players not just pick fights with them and wait for the next transfer window (where he has no money to spend anyway)

and you quote Ferguson. He was on the verge of the sack and fans had Fergie out banners.
My expectation of a manager is to be the boss and tell the players to play a certain way. If a player doesn't tow the line then you have to talk to them and if they still sulk get rid.

 

[Kev The Rat]

and you quote Ferguson. He was on the verge of the sack and fans had Fergie out banners.
My expectation of a manager is to be the boss and tell the players to play a certain way. If a player doesn't tow the line then you have to talk to them and if they still sulk get rid.

Ferguson probably the greatest manager in the history of the game.

Not sure where the kopite pig fits into this discussion?

I mean I could walk into the club tomorrow shout at people and replace players does that mean I’d win matches ?