2021/22 Rafael Benitez

[ForeverBlue92]

It’s all very well having an ultimate plan for how we’ll play when we have the personnel.

But to try and implement that when we don’t have the players, and stubbornly stick to it regardless of results, is total folly.

This is why he’s failing.

Carlo had the pragmatism to get the best out of the players he had. That is what every single manager ought to do, while honing the squad to eventually play the way they prefer.

Benitez refuses to do that, and it’s going to be his undoing. He will be sacked before he assembles the side he wants.

Tbf though if Guardiola or Klopp were here they would stubbornly stick to a certain way regardless of results until they got their own players in to fit the system.

If Benitez has been given assurances by the owner (we dont know whats been said in private) that he has a job for the long term then that might be why he's sticking with it knowing he'll be backed in the summer to bring another 2-3 in.

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Mykolenko
Patterson

4 players of his own already - if he adds another 2-3 over the coming window in addition to Doucoure/DCL who seem to fit his system then we **should** start to seen an improvement in performances/results.

A big problem we've had is sacking managers with varying systems/style meaning the current squad is a mish mash of different types of players who all suit different systems/formations/tactics.

 

[Ufotone]

Nobody knows for sure how long Benitez will be in charge.

Everybody has their own opinion, why or why he shouldn't be in charge.

A few wins we might survive, a few loses we might not, but...

I sense a slow drip of negativity filling EFC, and if left, we will drown

 

[Saint Domingo]

The trouble is, if you play a back 3 and you want 3 in midfield which we invariably need you make the wingers redundant. If you play with wingers we get exposed in CM.

Play 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 and we can have it all, fullbacks can still go forward in a back 4, look at Liverpool and City...

Liverpool and City have proper defensive midfielders and quick mobile centre backs. When their full backs fly forward, their holding mid drops in if needed. We don’t have a defensive midfielder and watching Keane and anyone else trying to get out and cover gaps is painful. That’s why we get cut through when we lose the ball, and probably why all of the last five managers have reverted to a back 3/5

 

[allen]

Tbf though if Guardiola or Klopp were here they would stubbornly stick to a certain way regardless of results until they got their own players in to fit the system.

If Benitez has been given assurances by the owner (we dont know whats been said in private) that he has a job for the long term then that might be why he's sticking with it knowing he'll be backed in the summer to bring another 2-3 in.

Gray
Townsend
Mykolenko
Patterson

4 players of his own already - if he adds another 2-3 over the coming window in addition to Doucoure/DCL who seem to fit his system then we **should** start to seen an improvement in performances/results.

A big problem we've had is sacking managers with varying systems/style meaning the current squad is a mish mash of different types of players who all suit different systems/formations/tactics.

Klopp or Guardiola wouldn’t take a job where they thought they couldn’t implement their own style, though.

Benitez doesn’t have that luxury at Everton, and he needs to cut his cloth to suit.

Unfortunately for him, he is too stubborn to reckon with that. That’s why he’ll lose his job before the season is out.

 

[ForeverEverton]

Liverpool and City have proper defensive midfielders and quick mobile centre backs. When their full backs fly forward, their holding mid drops in if needed. We don’t have a defensive midfielder and watching Keane and anyone else trying to get out and cover gaps is painful. That’s why we get cut through when we lose the ball, and probably why all of the last five managers have reverted to a back 3

It bad that a Premier League manager cant get a system with this team.... OK forget Liverpool and City.

Look at Arsenal, West Ham, Man Utd and Leicester they all manage to get their full backs forward and still maintain a position in the top half of the league.

Its simple really, when 1 full back goes forward the other sits to almost make a back 3 and vice versa, working on a pendulum if you like. The Kopite rat has set a system that doesnt work, probably on purpose, and we are stuck with it until it does and there isnt any guarantee it ever will. So even if he throws player after player at it there is no guarantee it will work and we cant afford to do that.

Get back to basics and what everyone knows, 4-3-3 and dominating possession, stop giving possession away to be attacked for 90 mins. Top teams DONT DO THAT, thats why they are where they are. If you are gonna behave like a small cloob then thats what you will get, the whole club with an inferiority complex, which we pretty much have.

Correct me if I`m wrong but there has only ever been Chelsea under Conte that has won the PL with a favoured 3/5 at the back system... previously Chelsea won the PL with Mourinho and they played a 4-3-3 almost religiously.

 

[rochdaleblue]

Taking the injuries into account, any manager worth his salt would be looking at the tools at his disposal and utilising them to the best he possibly can.

Seems like this tit is hell bent on doing exactly the opposite to that and trying to be clever, which is something even a non Evertonian like Jenas can see from a mile away.

Allardyce got us up to 8th playing with Cuco Martinez at left back and Gylfi out wide left.

This chump isn’t even up to that standard.

Great post. It’s all about getting the best out of the players available at your disposal. Playing 5 at the back with 3 centre halves, when our only decent CH is out injured is not the way forward. We’ve improved in games when’s he had to go to 3 in midfield. But he’s too stubborn to change it.

 

[everton1953]

I suspect a lot of the pro Benitez opinion, certainly mine was mainly based on the after shock of yet another managerial change, and so let's make this one work, plus a revulsion against continual much worse puerile insults than just fsw, purely because of where he had been before. He has not and is highly unlikely ever to win over minds here. The sensible course to take is to let him improve the squad and have a rethink about his position before 22/23 season.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

Klopp or Guardiola wouldn’t take a job where they thought they couldn’t implement their own style, though.

Benitez doesn’t have that luxury at Everton, and he needs to cut his cloth to suit.

Unfortunately for him, he is too stubborn to reckon with that. That’s why he’ll lose his job before the season is out.

Not sure about that mate - we're ultimately a midtable club that hasn't qualified for europe these past 4 seasons with a mish mash squad thats slowly being gutted.

I think any manager coming into the club should be given 2 seasons to try do a rebuild.

Whether Benitez is the right man or not is up for debate but he's here now so we just need to see where we are come the seasons end.

If results improve then we have some optimism going into the summer window.

 

[steven]

I’d be astonished if he hasn’t pitched up at Newcastle at the end of the season. It’ll be the right move for all parties…can’t see anyway he will win over the majority of the fans.

Howe is sending Newcastle down and think their owners will cut their losses and go all out for Benitez. I don’t think Moshiri will mind to start again (again) by then - I can’t see us finishing much higher than bottom 5/6 which will give Moshiri the right excuses to make a change. As long as we are comfortably above the regeneration zone points wise I don’t think he’ll get rid of Benitez this season.

 

[allen]

Not sure about that mate - we're ultimately a midtable club that hasn't qualified for europe these past 4 seasons with a mish mash squad thats slowly being gutted.

I think any manager coming into the club should be given 2 seasons to try do a rebuild.

Whether Benitez is the right man or not is up for debate but he's here now so we just need to see where we are come the seasons end.

If results improve then we have some optimism going into the summer window.

I’m not sure you’ve understood the point I was trying to make.

Benitez doesn’t have the personnel to play the way he wants to, you said as much yourself. Guardiola barely broke sweat getting City to play the way he wanted, thanks to their superior players.

 

[AsiaAsia82]

Our manager signed and still plays Rondon.
Doesn’t that say something about his credibility.

 

[Johnniepk]

I’d be astonished if he hasn’t pitched up at Newcastle at the end of the season. It’ll be the right move for all parties…can’t see anyway he will win over the majority of the fans.

Howe is sending Newcastle down and think their owners will cut their losses and go all out for Benitez. I don’t think Moshiri will mind to start again (again) by then - I can’t see us finishing much higher than bottom 5/6 which will give Moshiri the right excuses to make a change. As long as we are comfortably above the regeneration zone points wise I don’t think he’ll get rid of Benitez this season.

Interesting points. Probably likely

 

[Thetigerblue]

Bring in a respected manager like Kovac and move on

Yep, this answer is exactly the problem. you’re not engaging with reality. We’re not at that level. Top management aren’t going to join Everton any more.

*why* would he join Everton? Where the management life expectancy is less than 1 year?
Where the club structure is stuffed.

One guy yesterday said 30-40 people applied for the manager job last year. I can only presume he’s got a shrine to Bill in a room if he believes nonsense like that and you’re not far removed.

 

[everton1953]

Our manager signed and still plays Rondon.
Doesn’t that say something about his credibility.

I think everyone is mystified unless the alternatives are thought to be worse. Frankly the two young alternatives must be truly awful not to replace the hapless and hopeless Rondon.

 

[Jebus_lives]

City were in the doldrums at that time. Getting webbed by all kinds.

You really need to check out the context.

By 'all kinds'. Their losses were:

Tottenham 2-0
man Utd 1-0
Leicester 4-2
Chelsea 1-3
Liverpool 1-0

Then Everton beat them 4-0 and your response was to belittle the performance and the team.

For context they beat West Ham 0-5 the game prior.