2021/22 Rafael Benitez

[hallamblue]

Likewise fella, real eye bleeding stuff!

Its not showing currently that he has that ability tho, so worst case scenario, we get relegated by him, best is top half.

There will be nothing as eye bleedingly bad as seeing us getting relegated, no matter how many Shrewsbury's, Brightons, Wigans etc etc you throw in that mix, nothing and if its him that does it, we will never recover from it!

I cant see this happen, and for that reason he has to fall on his sword NOW

Well his excuses are disappearing 1 by 1. The squad is mostly fit, he has 2 new full backs. For me though, Richarlison is key. We have a terrible record when he doesn't play. If we get him back fit and things don't improve, he has to go

 

[Efcjake]

Anything other than a win this weekend will finish him in the eyes of most of the small minority still backing him to turn this around.

Then things will get very nasty at Goodison. Punch ups in the stands, stuff thrown, unified abuse sang at the manager.

All of this is coming and we have not reached fever pitch yet.

I don't want it to happen but this is a mess of Moshiri's making.

 

[sageyefc]

Not if we have a style of play worked out. Say, for example our first 11 is Pickford, Patterson, Mykolenko, Branthwaite, Godfrey, Gray, Gordon, Allan, Doucoure, Richarlison and DCL, with a few promising youngsters on the bench. We win a few and lose a few, which is bound to happen with that many young players in the team. I think most fans would understand that we were playing the long game, as the Arsenal fans do.

Tbh I think there’s just no coming back now, the majority have turned and you don’t come back from it.

He’s never played a style of play that the fanbase would crave or get behind though, his teams have always been boring that relays on results to justify it, carragher said the other day it’s football you tolerate as long as it gets results when it doesn’t it’s tedious. He’d need to be winning near enough every week to keep the wolves at bay such is the appetite to turn on him.


There’s simply too many boxes he’d have to tick week in week out for most to tolerate it

For me he’s just not the manager you want rebuilding your club which is what we’ll be doing over the next few years.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

He’ll always be 2 or 3 poor results away from mayhem

That's every Everton manager. Moshiri knows it - he said not so long ago how Evertonians are only a few defeats from disowning a manager.

To be honest, I'd have expected it to be even worse than it is now considering our results.

I get the point though, a lot of fans will be desperate to stick the knife in even if we were doing well.

 

[Toffe3m4n]

That's every Everton manager. Moshiri knows it - he said not so long ago how Evertonians are only a few defeats from disowning a manager.

To be honest, I'd have expected it to be even worse than it is now considering our results.

I get the point though, a lot of fans will be desperate to stick the knife in even if we were doing well.

Like a number of them were at the beginning of the season when we were doing well, or more recently when we beat Hull and a few seemed genuinely disappointed over it..

 

[JimmyK]

Like most Everton managers in recent years tbf, even Ancelotti.

I think there's a big difference between a bit of sniping on message boards and twitter and the sort of thing we're talking about with Benitez. I think very few people actually wanted Ancelotti out which is in stark contrast to pretty much 80% wanting Benitez gone on here and thats got to be including a lot of votes that we know aren't from real Everton fans.

 

[Colonel Getafe]

Then things will get very nasty at Goodison. Punch ups in the stands, stuff thrown, unified abuse sang at the manager.

and that's just from Kenwright's seats!!!...... ??

 

[mightymoyes]

Anything other than a win this weekend will finish him in the eyes of most of the small minority still backing him to turn this around.

Then things will get very nasty at Goodison. Punch ups in the stands, stuff thrown, unified abuse sang at the manager.

All of this is coming and we have not reached fever pitch yet.

I don't want it to happen but this is a mess of Moshiri's making.

There are certain fans that will back him all the way to the championship

 

[Jebus_lives]

I've shared this quote a few times now, but I think it's very useful insight into Benitez from Steven Gerrard;



Does anyone think this particular group of players will react in the right way to this type of manager?

If no, is the manager the problem, or the players?

This was my opinion from May last year - click and read the thread;



October;



I'm still of the same view.

The core of the squad is rotten and has been for some time.

Its an interesting comparison to make about the relative positions of the two jobs when he took over. When appointed at Liverpool he had arrived as a much younger manager on the back of a very successful time at Valencia and was arriving, due to his engineering, as someone that wanted to progress more but had been let down by the club's management, particularly the DoF. Liverpool were underperforming under Houllier but he had massively improved that squad and Benitez came in as winning figurehead to that side (for comparison another strong contender for that job was Curbishley).

He arrives here nearly 20 years on from that, still using the same tactics and mentality, as someone with a reputation for falling out with players, board and fans of clubs. He has seen his early frequent honours dry up and his recent 'success' was managing a Chinese side to avoid relegation. Regardless of what his friends in the media say and rose tinted RS fans, he completely unravelled at Liverpool and embarrassed himself with some bizarre press conferences and statements and has seemed conniving and devisive at almost every role he's been at.

If you want to be seen as authoritarian and impersonal, in any role, you have to command respect and I'm not sure to the current professional footballer, he does anymore.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

Its an interesting comparison to make about the relative positions of the two jobs when he took over. When appointed at Liverpool he had arrived as a much younger manager on the back of a very successful time at Valencia and was arriving, due to his engineering, as someone that wanted to progress more but had been let down by the club's management, particularly the DoF. Liverpool were underperforming under Houllier but he had massively improved that squad and Benitez came in as winning figurehead to that side (for comparison another strong contender for that job was Curbishley).

He arrives here nearly 20 years on from that, still using the same tactics and mentality, as someone with a reputation for falling out with players, board and fans of clubs. He has seen his early frequent honours dry up and his recent 'success' was managing a Chinese side to avoid relegation. Regardless of what his friends in the media say and rose tinted RS fans, he completely unravelled at Liverpool and embarrassed himself with some bizarre press conferences and statements and has seemed conniving and devisive at almost every role he's been at.

If you want to be seen as authoritarian and impersonal, in any role, you have to command respect and I'm not sure to the current professional footballer, he does anymore.

Which is probably why he's signing more younger players who are naturally more inclined to listen to him.

Its why if Benitez is booted we need Jose Mourinho if we go down the road of another disciplinarian - he's still regarded as a good level manager even if he's past his best days.

 

[BigDuncTributeBand]

Tbh I think there’s just no coming back now, the majority have turned and you don’t come back from it.

He’s never played a style of play that the fanbase would crave or get behind though, his teams have always been boring that relays on results to justify it, carragher said the other day it’s football you tolerate as long as it gets results when it doesn’t it’s tedious. He’d need to be winning near enough every week to keep the wolves at bay such is the appetite to turn on him.


There’s simply too many boxes he’d have to tick week in week out for most to tolerate it

For me he’s just not the manager you want rebuilding your club which is what we’ll be doing over the next few years.

This. He could well turn results around in the short term/this season, if he doesn’t then he couldn’t complain about getting the boot.

Even if he does start getting some results though, who cares if, in the bigger picture, he’s not the man for the long term rebuild and project…and he isn’t for the reasons you mention.

 

[Efcjake]

That's every Everton manager. Moshiri knows it - he said not so long ago how Evertonians are only a few defeats from disowning a manager.

To be honest, I'd have expected it to be even worse than it is now considering our results.

I get the point though, a lot of fans will be desperate to stick the knife in even if we were doing well.

That's because so many of us feel hopeless watching Moshiri drive this club into the ground and know we can't really do anything to stop him.

How many posts are we seeing of blues saying "this is the lowest I've ever felt as an Evertonian"?

There was a big burst of anger after the derby and Moshiri has just ignored the fans so some of them can't even be arsed being angry anymore.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Which is probably why he's signing more younger players who are naturally more inclined to listen to him.

Its why if Benitez is booted we need Jose Mourinho if we go down the road of another disciplinarian - he's still regarded as a top manager even if he's past his best days.

I don't think it's any coincidence that our younger players have looked like they are more willing to accept his rigid instruction.

On Mourinho, I don't think he is anymore either. He has exactly the same baggage as Benitez and both are seen as in decline rather than 'on the up'.

 

[Efcjake]

Which is probably why he's signing more younger players who are naturally more inclined to listen to him.

Its why if Benitez is booted we need Jose Mourinho if we go down the road of another disciplinarian - he's still regarded as a good level manager even if he's past his best days.

Boss the way you have spent 4 months ridiculing people's shouts to replace Benitez and you're coming out saying we need Mourinho.

 

[willo30]

Yeah

We'll be "sorted once amd for all" when we are playing Stoke & QPR in the Championship.

That'll teach them.

I don't get all these relegation shouts.

Before the injuries hit we were 4 wins from 5 games and 1 loss in 9 at the beginning of the season.

Surely once all are fit again we should be looking at similar stats.