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Referees v Everton

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What bothers me about the shirt pull is that they’re using the excuse “both players were pulling the shirt”. No decision is not a decision. Which player fouled first or committed the most egregious foul? If the decision is in favour of Brentford and you play advantage leading to the red card, then fine: say that. That we’ve been palmed off with a flimsy excuse once more is the worst of it.

Also, because they’ve fobbed us off with the non-decision, it rules out any grounds for an appeal because the ref/VAR reviewed it (and did nothing) at the time.

Total mess.
 
Brett Angell Delight said:
What bothers me about the shirt pull is that they’re using the excuse “both players were pulling the shirt”. No decision is not a decision. Which player fouled first or committed the most egregious foul? If the decision is in favour of Brentford and you play advantage leading to the red card, then fine: say that. That we’ve been palmed off with a flimsy excuse once more is the worst of it.

Also, because they’ve fobbed us off with the non-decision, it rules out any grounds for an appeal because the ref/VAR reviewed it (and did nothing) at the time.

Total mess.
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Surely if both players are fouling then the game should be stopped?

It certainly shouldn't result in what is basically akin to Brentford playing the advantage.

Could you imagine the bedlam at corners if the referee turned a blind eye to players fouling each other and letting play continue?

Regardless of if it was a penalty or not (it was) play should have been stopped. There is no instance at all where it should not have been and failure to do so resulted in us getting a red card.
 
If I was in charge at Everton, I would say to the manager. In the next press conference, go to town, highlight everything, all the bad decisions the comments from past referee's and get everyone told. We will pay the fine.
It then piles a heap of pressure on the ref for Thursday. Any dubious call will get picked up on.
Refs are human and make mistakes, but this is more than that,.in my opinion. The club should draw attention to it.

Results could easily go against us on Thursday. Burnley could win and we could easily lose against Palace. Then it all.depends on Brentford against Leeds. Do Brentford switch off and say, season done. I am not expecting us getting anything from Arsenal. The players will be running on fumes by then.
Could happen.
As a club, we need to put the cat among the pidgeons and call out the refereeing and decisions. Doing so could pressure the ref on Thursday to make sure he is spot on with everything..
 
ToffeeDan said:
Amazing: 36 previous PL games and we've had:

Oliver 5
Atwell 5
A Madley 4
Pawson 4

England 2
Moss 2
Atkinson 2
Coote 2
Tierney 2
Dean 2
Scott 2
Kavanagh 1

Brooks 1
Taylor 1
Friend 1

Taylor, allegedly one of the better ones nowhere near us. Half of our matches so far done by FOUR refs.
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All from up north, Northumberland, Nuneaton, Sheffield & Huddersfield

Could be something as simple as logistics, although i'd have to check what games they were in terms of us being home/away
 
Papa Shango said:
Surely if both players are fouling then the game should be stopped?

It certainly shouldn't result in what is basically akin to Brentford playing the advantage.

Could you imagine the bedlam at corners if the referee turned a blind eye to players fouling each other and letting play continue?

Regardless of if it was a penalty or not (it was) play should have been stopped. There is no instance at all where it should not have been and failure to do so resulted in us getting a red card.
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To my mind there’s three possible outcomes if the ref thinks both players are tussling:

Stop play and have a word - Seems VERY common at corners, etc

Firmly decide it’s a foul on Richarlison - Penalty

Firmly decide it’s a foul on the defender - FK/advantage

I have no issue with the latter per se, but the ref has to communicate definitively that’s his decision. If that isn’t his decision or he hasn’t had chance to make one yet he has to stop the play.

Not making a decision, and then allowing the next passage of play to supersede his need to make one is not a decision in itself and not acceptable.

I also think gagging Lampard with an FA charge is crap as well. It’s nonsense how much refs are allowed to get away with, and have any kind of dissenting voice sanctioned.
 

If we end up going down, Everton can very easily demonstrate beyond doubt that biased and incorrect officiating from both VAR and the referee's is the reason for the relegation regardless of how crap we have been. Game changing decisions have cost us probably well over a dozen points this season. We have been on the receiving end of some kind of agenda imo. Seek legal advice and take the feckers to court if we go down Everton.
 
Toffeepot said:
This is the bigger problem imo
If the decisions against us were against the top 6 the media would be all over it and the refs would be somewhat more accountable but as it's us, the media don't want to highlight it, they focus on everything but because why badmouth the 'beautiful game' that butters their bread when it's just an also ran like Everton. I think Lampard should slate them, whats the worst that could happen? a series of charges and fines? That would definitely highlight it more. Relegation could cost us far more than a series of fines and if we go we need to go pointing that finger and screaming. They just want us to be silent and shrug our shoulders with the clearly false 'adage' of 'these things even out over the course of a season' bs
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It’s a complete farce - I’m surprised that Hackett and Gallagher went against oliver.

If that Rodri handball wasn’t given against the rs or Chelsea instead of us, the media would still be talking about it today and the ref/var team would probably still be stood down/under investigation/sacked.

These decisions have never ever evened themselves out over the season for us and it’s gone on for donkeys years - the rs have gotten away with absolute murder in derbies for years.

Fook them all - We should just hold a press conference and show every single error that has affected our games and say nothing else. Frank should just walk in, play the vid and do one - there’s enough of those videos flying around social media.

We’re getting battered by them anyway, and another sorry just doesn’t cut it - heap the pressure on them before Thursday and pay any fines for frank - we might as well go down as lions than as sheep.
 

NathDogg said:
It’s a complete farce - I’m surprised that Hackett and Gallagher went against oliver.

If that Rodri handball wasn’t given against the rs or Chelsea instead of us, the media would still be talking about it today and the ref/var team would probably still be stood down/under investigation/sacked.

These decisions have never ever evened themselves out over the season for us and it’s gone on for donkeys years - the rs have gotten away with absolute murder in derbies for years.

Fook them all - We should just hold a press conference and show every single error that has affected our games and say nothing else. Frank should just walk in, play the vid and do one - there’s enough of those videos flying around social media.

We’re getting battered by them anyway, and another sorry just doesn’t cut it - heap the pressure on them before Thursday and pay any fines for frank - we might as well go down as lions than as sheep.
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100% aggree
love the presser suggestion
 
ToffeeTim said:
HAHAHAHA

He literally will never disagree with the referee. The presenter actually shows him Richarlison was not holding and he still wouldn't say it was a penalty. What an absolute waste of time of a segment.
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Never any responsibility. The ref can blame VaR and vice versa. They don't have an answer to say why they couldn't tell Oliver to go to the monitor but could do for the handball at Spurs v Burnley.

Their get out is that Oliver has talked to VAR and said it wasn't.

Personally don't think that happened as seconds later he's had to deal with a sending off that he did without hesitation, so a discussion wouldn't have taken place
 
kenada_blue said:
Never any responsibility. The ref can blame VaR and vice versa. They don't have an answer to say why they couldn't tell Oliver to go to the monitor but could do for the handball at Spurs v Burnley.

Their get out is that Oliver has talked to VAR and said it wasn't.

Personally don't think that happened as seconds later he's had to deal with a sending off that he did without hesitation, so a discussion wouldn't have taken place
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VAR is about manipulating matches and giving entertainment. It's a farcical system that no one who loves football can be happy with. Unless you support a big team, then you'll be more than happy.
 

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