Relegation 2022/23

[Drico]

The one thing we still had going for us was our top flight status. For all the stature and prestige we've lost since 1987 we still had that.

Now we're about to lose that as well. This club was never the same after the late and great Howard Kendall left in summer 1987.

I was thinking something similar over the last few days.

My conclusion, though, is that we have used our "tradition" and "history" as a crutch that at some point simply has to be kicked away. Everything about the culture of Everton has been corrupted. The man who is responsible for the culture is the Chairman, who has been on the board almost since Kendall's original departure. He has placed his cronies in positions of influence and his "pluckly underdogism" and "good times" vibes have seeped like toxins through the walls of the club.

Being the longest-serving ever-present club in the top flight was another "good time" to hide behind. Even being in the Premier League itself - despite never competing - was held up as further evidence of good times.

All of this will now pass. It will be painful, and we could well be in the wilderness for years, but if the club (i.e., the fanbase) is as strong as I think it to be, all of this will be survivable and necessary for our eventual revival.

 

[jazzy]

I was thinking something similar over the last few days.

My conclusion, though, is that we have used our "tradition" and "history" as a crutch that at some point simply has to be kicked away. Everything about the culture of Everton has been corrupted. The man who is responsible for the culture is the Chairman, who has been on the board almost since Kendall's original departure. He has placed his cronies in positions of influence and his "pluckly underdogism" and "good times" vibes have seeped like toxins through the walls of the club.

Being the longest-serving ever-present club in the top flight was another "good time" to hide behind. Even being in the Premier League itself - despite never competing - was held up as further evidence of good times.

All of this will now pass. It will be painful, and we could well be in the wilderness for years, but if the club (i.e., the fanbase) is as strong as I think it to be, all of this will be survivable and necessary for our eventual revival.

I agree with that but I really fear that if we go down ( highly, highly likely IMO) we could become another Sheffield Wednesday.
With the millstone of paying for the new stadium around our neck we could be looking at financial oblivion.
Very dangerous times ahead.

 

[jazzy]

Leeds-Leicester is the key. Winner there should have enough momentum to stay up.

Loser of it will start to run out of winnable games.

Looking at the remaining fixtures for both Leeds and Leicester they are both pretty favourable and undoubtedly ( at least on paper ) easier than ours.
I think Leeds will garner enough points.
Southampton and Forest are probably gone.
So it's between us and Leicester.
Unless we see a massive upturn in our form and ability to score I just don't see where we will pick up enough points .
At some stage particularly with the traditional new manager bounce Leicester will win a couple of games and if nothing else they still have to play us at home

 

[Blueclouds]

I think we are finished. Losing to Fulham was the key

 

[roy vernon]

Leeds-Leicester is the key. Winner there should have enough momentum to stay up.

Loser of it will start to run out of winnable games.

Could say the same about Leicester and us, to be fair.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

Urgh, wanting Liverpool to win

I'll need a shower and a bath

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

I think Leicester are as likely to win 3 more games as we are.

We'll have to make sure it's us then

 

[kenada_blue]

Urgh, wanting Liverpool to win

I'll need a shower and a bath

And we all know they wont

 

[GoldenToffee]

Urgh, wanting Liverpool to win

I'll need a shower and a bath

It's fine. If they hit good form they are probably looking at Conference League at best and I bet their fans would rather miss out on Europe completely than qualify for that.

 

[Harryflashman]

I honestly feel like last year the fans helped massively drag the team over the line and whilst lacking in managerial ability and tactical acumen post Benitez lampard’s personality and perceived ‘connection ‘ probably resonated and helped generate that atmosphere. Whilst that’s missing this year I just think the fanbase is jaded , empty promises of never again and a feeling that we’re trapped in a spiral seems to transmit to just not being able to get that going again . Maybe richarlison is missed off the pitch as well as on it as well .

If we stay up this year I’m not sure we’ll be contributing like we did last year , that’s not saying there wasn’t singing but when that second Fulham goal went in it was like the air being let out of balloon.

 

[spectateur]

I think we are finished. Losing to Fulham was the key

No,losing at home to Southampton and Nottingham forest under Frank was the critical point.

 

[NathDogg]

I agree with that but I really fear that if we go down ( highly, highly likely IMO) we could become another Sheffield Wednesday.
With the millstone of paying for the new stadium around our neck we could be looking at financial oblivion.
Very dangerous times ahead.

Agreed mate, it could be disastrous.

Think we’re closer to what of going on at Valencia currently - the clubs are practically mirror images of each other, very very worrying.

Koeman doing damage at both clubs as well.

 

[Yarrgh]

Urgh, wanting Liverpool to win

I'll need a shower and a bath

No bath, no shower, put your shin pads on and log onto a YouTube commentary from a Lord of the Rings extra. Really back them!

 

[judge]

No,losing at home to Southampton and Nottingham forest under Frank was the critical point.

yeah, and you can add Wolves to that. If the board had sacked him when they should have (start of the world cup) we could easily have 6 more points (and Soton and Wolves 3 less). Still, we re rubbish and have 'rode our luck' in the top division for 60+ years. Unfortunately is think that our time is (over)due.

 

[Yarrgh]

I honestly feel like last year the fans helped massively drag the team over the line and whilst lacking in managerial ability and tactical acumen post Benitez lampard’s personality and perceived ‘connection ‘ probably resonated and helped generate that atmosphere. Whilst that’s missing this year I just think the fanbase is jaded , empty promises of never again and a feeling that we’re trapped in a spiral seems to transmit to just not being able to get that going again . Maybe richarlison is missed off the pitch as well as on it as well .

If we stay up this year I’m not sure we’ll be contributing like we did last year , that’s not saying there wasn’t singing but when that second Fulham goal went in it was like the air being let out of balloon.

Fully agree. We are like zombies walking towards the inevitable at the moment.