Relegation 2022/23

[Cool_Blue]

I'm not sure that was the case. It was still all to play for.

Seasons 2021/22 and 2022/23 at roughly the same stage:

Last season

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This season

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We shipped 66 goals last season. That was why we were in the relegation scrap. This season we're there because we haven't scored enough. That's the different dynamic. And we're showing sign of adapting by getting a lot of players in the opposition box now to make up for the lack of striker firepower.

We just have to see how that balance between conceding and scoring rolls out.

One team has played a game more than ALL others shown there

 

[davek]

I'd say it was decisive myself.

Scoring the last goal in a 4/5-0 win isn't, but scoring the equaliser or to make it 2-1 to us is deffo a decisive goal ( think he may have made it 2-1) seems so long ago can't remember

Overall, I think the fact we scored 43 goals last season and that the vast majority were scored by players we have right now and that we'll concede probably 15 less goals this season is the germane point. That and the Dyche factor. Because he's making his impact plain to see now.

I've said before I see it as 50-50 our chances of survival. But I see a team that's got the message from the manager that they all have to take resonsibility to get goals and win games. They just have to cut out the wayward passing and we'll be back in business in a big way.

 

[Gilbert..]

Skimmed over last few pages. Lots of positive thoughts. Mainly from Dave.
i might be a grumpy bastad then because i still think we're one of the worst in this league. And more than likely going to go.
Of course i hope this comes back to bite me.

 

[davek]

One team has played a game more than ALL others shown there

Yes, but that sort of situation will occur at the bottom aright through the run in. We'll be back on an equal footing sometime soon. We'll just have to see what our rivals do with that extra game. Not much I suspect.

Hold on to your hats, it's going to be a bumpy ride to the final day.

 

[davek]

Skimmed over last few pages. Lots of positive thoughts. Mainly from Dave.
i might be a grumpy bastad then because i still think we're one of the worst in this league. And more than likely going to go.
Of course i hope this comes back to bite me.

You have to look at the sitution from the January 30th reset when Dyche came in. It hasn't been a phenomenally successful period since, but that was because we had tough games in those 6 games...and even so we register at 13th in the PL form table for the last 6 games.

Under Dyche this team wont be lying down and going blocks of games without a result of some sort. That gives me realistic 'expectations' of at least taking another 14 points from the possible 36 on offer (that's the same rate of points being taken as we have under Dyche right now, so doable).

If someone offered me a 36 points final total I'd take it off them right now, as I expect that to be enough.

 

[Gilbert..]

You have to look at the sitution from the January 30th reset when Dyche came in. It hasn't been a phenomenally successful period since, but that was because we had tough games in those 6 games...and even so we register at 13th in the PL form table for the last 6 games.

Under Dyche this team wont be lying down and going blocks of games without a result of some sort. That gives me realistic 'expectations' of at least taking another 14 points from the possible 36 on offer (that's the same rate of points being taken as we have under Dyche right now, so doable).

If someone offered me a 36 points final total I'd take it off them right now, as I expect that to be enough.

All games for us are tough dave. I dont think Villa are all that. I had that down as the best chance of 3 points esp at Goodison.
I just think we lack quality in two many areas of the pitch. It might be tight but as a betting man i would put us as one of the three.
Ive just got everything crossed we scrape it again.

 

[davek]

All games for us are tough dave. I dont think Villa are all that. I had that down as the best chance of 3 points esp at Goodison.
I just think we lack quality in two many areas of the pitch. It might be tight but as a betting man i would put us as one of the three.
Ive just got everything crossed we scrape it again.

Villa are a decent team and we got them on a day they were desperate to end a run of three defeats. We should have won that game too.

But as I said, I put our chances at 50-50...and I do for the likes of West Ham and Leeds.

If we beat Brentford on Saturday - and I see the fanfare surrounding them as a good thing for us as it'll focus everyone that we have to play very well to get the three points - then we'll in all probablility be out of the relegation zone. That will be huge. And then we start seeing fixtures that we'd maybe had down as defeats or at best draws as draws and victories.

I believe we have the team to stay up. They're not great, but they're capable of taking 14/15 points from the next 36...because that's the steady rate they've taken points at so far under Dyche...and over some very tough fixtures.

 

[Goodisongang]

I've said before I see it as 50-50 our chances of survival. But I see a team that's got the message from the manager that they all have to take resonsibility to get goals and win games. They just have to cut out the wayward passing and we'll be back in business in a big way.

Wouldn't disagree with that.

Our form under dyche puts us around 13th or so I think, which isn't bad considering weve had arsenal twice and Liverpool away in that.

After the Leeds game I'll be honest I was thinking no way he takes us down, but 3 games and 1 point later with two favourable fixtures ( compared to what we have left ) I'm not 30/70 we stay up

 

[davek]

Wouldn't disagree with that.

Our form under dyche puts us around 13th or so I think, which isn't bad considering weve had arsenal twice and Liverpool away in that.

After the Leeds game I'll be honest I was thinking no way he takes us down, but 3 games and 1 point later with two favourable fixtures ( compared to what we have left ) I'm not 30/70 we stay up

Villa was the only lost opportunity IMO. We had chances to get ahead in that game and never took them. If we had, we'd have 3 more points right now. Forest was a well earned point against a team that's done very well at home this season. I didn't see that as a failure in any way.

Brentford though need putting away. I think we've had the better of the last three games we've played them in and the burden of expectation is on them now to get three points if they have European aspirations.

Beat Brentford and hopes go back to the levels we had post Leeds win.

 

[good times bad times]

Brilliant post.

No one in their right minds thought we had a chance of getting out of the bottom 3 with just 6 games to go last season. Not with Burnley in the ascendency and the likes of Chelsea and Leicester and Arsenal still to play.

There's a lot of talk of RS fans having a huge relegation party outside BMD on the final day of the season. We are really playing into their hands with this absurd talk of already being down. If we were 10 points adrift I would get it, but as things stand we are just one point away from safety. And a few weeks ago we beat the league leaders.

Anything is possible as long as we get behind the players and the manager in the same way that we did towards the end of last season.

I completely concur.

The media have already written us off, as have some blues. We are literally one point away from being out of the bottom 3 FFS!

Now there's a shock.

@maccavennie

 

[roy vernon]

Now there's a shock.

@maccavennie

Gareth George agreeing with Gorgeous Gibson, or something like that. The absolute most obvious multi ever. Surely he's on a wind up.

 

[Billy Dean]

Silva was terrible for us, he had a MUCH better Everton side in the bottom 3. This revisionism about him is tiresome, people forget how bad he was here.

His time at Fulham so far: he joined the big promotion favourites and took them up, good achievement but nothing extraordinary at all, particularly when he had a striker too good for the level score a ridiculous amount of goals (Mitrovic got about 45 league goals).

This season they have done really well, no question. But let’s see where they are next season. Loads and loads of teams have came up and had a top half first season, off the top of my head Reading, Wigan, Ipswich, and not too long ago Sheff Utd.

Second season is always sticky, let’s see where they are this time next season.

He was good until he got goosed by our summer transfer business in 2019

 

[Charles Hawtrey]

Interesting article on Palace and their potential demise...

Are Crystal Palace sleepwalking to relegation?​

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By Liam Kelly
15:06 · WED March 08, 2023

'Sleepwalking into relegation.'
Granted, it sounds like the title for a Bryan’s Gunn video compilation, but Crystal Palace are epitomising the cliché at the moment.
Pedestrian in a 1-0 loss to Aston Villa, Patrick Vieira's side could have been mistaken for sleepwalking on Saturday, mustering a meagre three shots totalling 0.21 expected goals (xG), leaving Palace just six points above the drop zone despite sitting in 12th.
Only the ineptitude of multiple clubs has allowed Palace to drift almost unnoticed in trouble, but one win since the World Cup break and an even longer decline in underlying performance has seen them merge with the nine-club pack fighting for survival.

In truth, Palace's disappointing displays stretch back to the very start of the 2022/23 campaign.
Four wins in six just before the pause in play masked issues that have shown themselves to be fairly systemic at this point, notably an inability to create chances and score goals.
Only Bournemouth (25.2) have managed a lower expected goals for (xGF) total than the Eagles (26.1) this season, a negligible average of 1.04 xGF per game. They've scored 21 times across those 25 matches played.
It's an issue that has plagued Palace to an even greater extent after the World Cup, a disturbing course that must be corrected by Vieira. In the 11 Premier League games following the break, they've averaged 0.62 actual goals and 0.89 xGF per game.

Having Eberechi Eze, Michael Olise, Wilfried Zaha and Jordan Ayew all in the top 12 in the PL for successful take-ons may no longer look like exciting prospects with an innate ability to dribble, but an individualistic approach, such is the results prism we view football through.
It is admittedly harsh to see it that way, but Palace's problems with chance-creation are at a critical point, as well as the lack of a bonafide goalscorer.
As with almost all underperforming teams, injuries have played their part. Zaha has missed time in a winless 2023 and defensive absences have obviously contributed to Palace's process at the back taking a decline.
Still, it is the top end of Palace's line-up that is in desperate need of improvement, especially with a curious schedule to come.

On current form, nobody expects Palace to beat Manchester City, Brighton or Arsenal in their next three, even if the second is a pseudo-derby. Their last 10 opponents are fascinating, however.
Palace play each of the eight teams below them in the Premier League table, a recipe for relative success or absolute disaster in the scrap for safety.

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Premier League relegation 2022/23 odds (via Sky Bet)​

• Bournemouth - 1/3
• Southampton - 4/7
• Everton - 10/11
• Nottingham Forest - 13/8
• Leeds - 7/4
• West Ham - 5/1
• Leicester - 11/2
• Wolves - 7/1
• Crystal Palace - 9/1

Odds correct at 1500 GMT (08/03/23)

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An average position of 14.7 for Palace's last 10 should offer enough opportunities for Vieira to drag his team out of the battle, currently five points above the relegation places, but it is the 'sleepwalking' that puts his job at risk.

Recent displays have seen them mindlessly drift from European football challengers to relegation candidates, a surprise after such a promising 2021/22 campaign.
It does appear there are three bad teams that will bail out Crystal Palace from sleepwalking into relegation, but they need to wake up at some point.

 

[davek]

Interesting article on Palace and their potential demise...

Are Crystal Palace sleepwalking to relegation?​

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By Liam Kelly
15:06 · WED March 08, 2023

'Sleepwalking into relegation.'
Granted, it sounds like the title for a Bryan’s Gunn video compilation, but Crystal Palace are epitomising the cliché at the moment.
Pedestrian in a 1-0 loss to Aston Villa, Patrick Vieira's side could have been mistaken for sleepwalking on Saturday, mustering a meagre three shots totalling 0.21 expected goals (xG), leaving Palace just six points above the drop zone despite sitting in 12th.
Only the ineptitude of multiple clubs has allowed Palace to drift almost unnoticed in trouble, but one win since the World Cup break and an even longer decline in underlying performance has seen them merge with the nine-club pack fighting for survival.

In truth, Palace's disappointing displays stretch back to the very start of the 2022/23 campaign.
Four wins in six just before the pause in play masked issues that have shown themselves to be fairly systemic at this point, notably an inability to create chances and score goals.
Only Bournemouth (25.2) have managed a lower expected goals for (xGF) total than the Eagles (26.1) this season, a negligible average of 1.04 xGF per game. They've scored 21 times across those 25 matches played.
It's an issue that has plagued Palace to an even greater extent after the World Cup, a disturbing course that must be corrected by Vieira. In the 11 Premier League games following the break, they've averaged 0.62 actual goals and 0.89 xGF per game.

Having Eberechi Eze, Michael Olise, Wilfried Zaha and Jordan Ayew all in the top 12 in the PL for successful take-ons may no longer look like exciting prospects with an innate ability to dribble, but an individualistic approach, such is the results prism we view football through.
It is admittedly harsh to see it that way, but Palace's problems with chance-creation are at a critical point, as well as the lack of a bonafide goalscorer.
As with almost all underperforming teams, injuries have played their part. Zaha has missed time in a winless 2023 and defensive absences have obviously contributed to Palace's process at the back taking a decline.
Still, it is the top end of Palace's line-up that is in desperate need of improvement, especially with a curious schedule to come.

On current form, nobody expects Palace to beat Manchester City, Brighton or Arsenal in their next three, even if the second is a pseudo-derby. Their last 10 opponents are fascinating, however.
Palace play each of the eight teams below them in the Premier League table, a recipe for relative success or absolute disaster in the scrap for safety.

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Premier League relegation 2022/23 odds (via Sky Bet)​

• Bournemouth - 1/3
• Southampton - 4/7
• Everton - 10/11
• Nottingham Forest - 13/8
• Leeds - 7/4
• West Ham - 5/1
• Leicester - 11/2
• Wolves - 7/1
• Crystal Palace - 9/1

Odds correct at 1500 GMT (08/03/23)

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An average position of 14.7 for Palace's last 10 should offer enough opportunities for Vieira to drag his team out of the battle, currently five points above the relegation places, but it is the 'sleepwalking' that puts his job at risk.

Recent displays have seen them mindlessly drift from European football challengers to relegation candidates, a surprise after such a promising 2021/22 campaign.
It does appear there are three bad teams that will bail out Crystal Palace from sleepwalking into relegation, but they need to wake up at some point.

Palace will be ok. They've been competitive enough all season. There's a lot of points for them in the run in.

S'ton
Bournemouth
Everton
Leeds
West Ham

....it's just too close to call with those. Forest could get sucked in too. And if Leicester dont beat a Chelsea team that's just had a big CL game on Saturday they could be a real candidate to take the drop. Their last 4 home games look very tricky.

 

[Charles Hawtrey]

Palace will be ok. They've been competitive enough all season. There's a lot of points for them in the run in.

S'ton
Bournemouth
Everton
Leeds
West Ham

....it's just too close to call with those. Forest could get sucked in too. And if Leicester dont beat a Chelsea team that's just had a big CL game on Saturday they could be a real candidate to take the drop. Their last 4 home games look very tricky.

I'd agree on Palace but it is somewhat comforting to see other clubs sweating along with us....