Remembering Moyes

[toffee matt]

I'm sure one thing we can all agree on that Smith to moyes to Martinez has been an upward trajectory and Everton have slowly recovered from the lowest of lows

 

[Allezfan]

I'm sure one thing we can all agree on that Smith to moyes to Martinez has been an upward trajectory and Everton have slowly recovered from the lowest of lows

God I was talking to some blues in london for the spurs game and the amount of them who stood up for Smith was maddening.

Such a terrible manager. We never would put up with Moyes for so long if he hadn't nicely lowered our expectations by being godawful.

 

[nigelcoyb]

The thing is players age, go off the boil, have their head turned, force a move, get greedy, go out on the lash slamming mountains of coke and screwing lap dancers, or simply get a better offer from another club and choose family and stability at said club that is/was more advanced than we were/are at the time.
Moyes was trawling the junkyards for players he knew could do a job but were outcasts - Arteta and Pienaar fall into this bracket. Was he brave to give them a loan chance? was he forced to shop there because otherwise it was nothing? Maybe a bit of both.
Getting the best from players, sounds amazing, but getting any games and then any goals out of sicknote Saha means the man deserves a country naming after him. Lifting players well beyond their glass ceiling and getting regular performances from them is an amazing skill he had and has. Applying that to a crop of talent two or three leagues above what he's used to is a different ball game.
Football has taught me many things, firstly dedication and commitment always pays off. Secondly never write anyone or any side off.

Seems Moyes is marmite, loved or hated, very little inbetween. I get the feeling some expected him to help force Kenwright out like Smith helped do to Johnson. Others to happy to lay into him because it was easier to blame him for us not challenging for the league like we had in the 80's than to look at the encyclopedia destructica of decisions that complimented the mismanagement and stupidity of those firing squad years.

Moyes did well for us, and we did well for him. If I'm lucky enough to make the Man U game in a week or so I'll cheer him, out of thanks, out of respect, out of not being some drunken know nothing with a self serving egotistical attitude about how I deserve only the best without any endeavour whatsoever.
If Ferdinand and Vidic are playing I'll boo my testes off.

Only thing is Martinez is shopping in the same junkyard but with a bit of ingenuity he's got Barry, Lukaku and Deleufeu plaing in Royal Blue.

It's a point of view some won't have but Moyes was slow witted you could see the cogs churning it's what killed him in his 1st transfer window at utd and what will kill in Munich when the real Bayern turn up.

He was a 3 or 4 year manager who kipped here waiting for something better for the rest of his 11 years and I called it a long time ago when it was sacrilige to say as much but events subsequent cannot be denied.

 

[toffee matt]

God I was talking to some blues in london for the spurs game and the amount of them who stood up for Smith was maddening.

Such a terrible manager. We never would put up with Moyes for so long if he hadn't nicely lowered our expectations by being godawful.

Smith would have taken us down and honestly I'm not sure if we'd have ever recovered from a relegation at the tim

 

[JamesMcarthy]

I'm glad he stayed for the duration he did and I'm glad he left at the time he did, otherwise we wouldn't have ended up with this absolute diamond of a manager we have now.

Best Moyes memory - his cardigan on SSN after we finished 4th.

 

[L4Everton]

Only thing is Martinez is shopping in the same junkyard but with a bit of ingenuity he's got Barry, Lukaku and Deleufeu plaing in Royal Blue.

It's a point of view some won't have but Moyes was slow witted you could see the cogs churning it's what killed him in his 1st transfer window at utd and what will kill in Munich when the real Bayern turn up.

He was a 3 or 4 year manager who kipped here waiting for something better for the rest of his 11 years and I called it a long time ago when it was sacrilige to say as much but events subsequent cannot be denied.

20/20 hindsight.
No one gave them a shout last week vs Bayern, and now its a forgone conclusion Bayern will turn up Wednesday.
Football teaches to those people prepared to learn.

 

[Ihaters]

It's interesting you use the expensively assembled Leeds outfit as your example because no one spent more than Leeds on players they were the ultimate big spenders yet finishing 5th in 2002-03 led to relegation with said players in 2003-04. If that doesn't prove the folly of hanging your hat on the financial argument I really don't know what does.

Moyes went for the common denominator play of keep it tight and work hard the province of Pulis, Allardyce, Mcarthy and countless others his average league position aligned with our wage bill position (he said so himself). As others have said he was given time like no other but here comes the opinion.

In my eyes he wasted the opportunity there was no development after 3 years and we flat-lined amid some dreadful football, puzzling decisions turning into perennial chokers. The oft referred to ability to spot a player is massively overplayed if you've played football you can spot a player full stop, inspiring and getting the best out of them is an entirely rarer talent - something Moyes has never had and never will.

Any debate on these matters has been rendered pointless by Moyes at Utd and Martinez at Everton, it really has.

Leeds- First example that came to mind, most clubs spent more than us, hard to find too many relegated or not that didn't have a bigger spend that us, Leeds was an obvious and backs up my point perfectly about how good Moyes did without money to go from nearly where Leeds went, to where Leeds were at their peak at that period. Newcastle... Portsmouth.. QPR... money, money, money... fail.
Everton... skint... up , up , up..

That being said, Those above us... super spending monsters.. those around us the same.
I am sure even you cannot seriously believe that money doesn't help a manager. Or that a 14mil record signing is embarrassing for a club fighting for Europe.

That you can have money and get relegated goes to show how good a manager you have to be full stop in this league. That everyone around us has to be both quality and big spending to keep ahead/catch up/stay near us despite our lack of spending says everything about both our current and previous managers.

And what Moyes does before or after Everton and what any manager does after Moyes in no way changes what Moyes did at Everton. Any debate on this is completely irrelevant to how Moyes does at United, we're talking about what he did here.

But just to confirm, do you at least think Moyes did a better job than Mcarthy, Pulis and Allardyce?

 

[Ihaters]

I'm sure one thing we can all agree on that Smith to moyes to Martinez has been an upward trajectory and Everton have slowly recovered from the lowest of lows

We will have when we win something, but we are certainly closer than we've been since 1995

 

[Allezfan]

Allardyce at Bolton did a better job than Moyes at Everton, like. Stand by that.

 

[TX Bill]

How will Moyes be remembered?

Saviour. There are problems with the ownership now but then it was worse. The revolving door policy of worse manager after poor was something he broke. Single-handedly he changed the stature and attitude of our club. He started by dealing in the bargain basement and made it work from there. It often wasn't pretty, but he worked with what he had and ground out results.

Everton FC didn't go down the pan because of him.
Everton FC didn't get knocked off the top table of British football overnight - it happened slowly, subtly. There were no hand ups from anyone when we were in the gutter. Moyes takes the plaudits for his work, for his reputation then (with Preston) and since having dragged us up to being noticed again.

He was no Messiah, he had and has plenty of faults. Who else could have done it? Who else would?
Familiarity breeds contempt. Today saw Chris Houghton sacked at Norwich (where we paid for Mike Walker if you can believe that) having got them 11th last term. Stoke had banners for Pulis earlier this year for keeping them going for so long.
For every nightmare Moyes gave us (and there were a few) he buried twice as many demons. Better players, higher expectation, significantly better league finishes, european football and a couple of cup runs.
Hand on heart, who at day one expected such success compared to where we found ourselves languishing? I know I couldn't have dreamed of the turn around he oversaw.

I was gonna post my thoughts in this thread but then I read this and said, "Nah, he's already said it."

 

[griffla]

yeah well said L4Everton.

 

[JAYTALITY]

How we remember Moyes is heavily influenced by the man who came in after him. And for me, comparing Moyes to a god when in him we trusted, when Moyes seen Everton do what they did v Arsenal he must have felt a very human chill up his spine.

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[Khalekan]

Allardyce at Bolton did a better job than Moyes at Everton, like. Stand by that.

+1

I am not a fan of Allardyce but keeping Bolton in the EPL is a far greater achievement than keeping EFC there.

Plus I think he might have won the League Cup or sommat when he was there.

He certainly got to at least one final.

 

[Khalekan]

How we remember Moyes is heavily influenced by the man who came in after him. And for me, comparing Moyes to a god when in him we trusted, when Moyes seen Everton do what they did v Arsenal he must have felt a very human chill up

And God knows what the fans of his new club were thinking when they watched it

 

[nigelcoyb]

20/20 hindsight.
No one gave them a shout last week vs Bayern, and now its a forgone conclusion Bayern will turn up Wednesday.
Football teaches to those people prepared to learn.

Really not so I and others have been saying this for years.

To Ihaterrs

Allardyce and Bolton was at least the equivalent of Moyes and Everton and in truth he was far more innovative with his signings of the likes of Okocha etc.
Pulis at Stoke is also debatable given where they've come from and now what he's doing at Palace.

Mcarthy is to football what a vagrant is too personal hygiene.