2021/22 Richarlison

[GS Blue - LIVERPOOL FAN]

Welcome to the forum.

There's some truth to that.

I would say though that not taking him off at half time was an even bigger mistake.

It's also worth adding that Richarlison is a bit odd. I remember him crying when he was subbed late on when playing for Watford when his team were beating (Chelsea I think?) pretty well.

Thanks, appreciated.

I think that's fair enough, he probably should have come off sooner. Hopefully the ones saying he shouldn't have come off at all and that Benitez is lying about it all now see how ridiculous they were being.

 

[sageyefc]

Thanks, appreciated.

I think that's fair enough, he probably should have come off sooner. Hopefully the ones saying he shouldn't have come off at all and that Benitez is lying about it all now see how ridiculous they were being.

Hmm signs up a few hours ago and goes straight to the defence of the kopite while having a go at the fans. Hello guillem

 

[Mosh Pit]

Not sure where I stand on Richarlisons behavior.

If it was discussed at half time that he had an injury and was going to come off,

It is a little naughty from Richarlison to then act completely surprised or annoyed when the decision was made

Which sent the away fans crazy.

But then another part of me thinks,

If the players behind the scenes are not happy with him as manager and they have to force him out by adding pressure,

I understand that too.

 

[GS Blue - LIVERPOOL FAN]

Hmm signs up a few hours ago and goes straight to the defence of the kopite while having a go at the fans. Hello guillem

I'm just exasperated. Give benitez [Poor language removed] all you want, many think he shouldn't be here in the first place, but the tribal kopite hatred is holding us back and clouding judgement.

It's a sad state of affairs that benitez was seen as our saviour as we all knew it would be problematic but when we're blaming him for anything and everything, we won't be moving forward properly and the kopites will be laughing their heads off at us

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

I'm just exasperated. Give benitez [Poor language removed] all you want, many think he shouldn't be here in the first place, but the tribal kopite hatred is holding us back and clouding judgement.

I know. If only it wasn't for all the tribal kopite hatred, we could be basking in the glory of 1 win in 10 games.

 

[ToffeeTim]

I'm just exasperated. Give benitez [Poor language removed] all you want, many think he shouldn't be here in the first place, but the tribal kopite hatred is holding us back and clouding judgement.

It's a sad state of affairs that benitez was seen as our saviour as we all knew it would be problematic but when we're blaming him for anything and everything, we won't be moving forward properly and the kopites will be laughing their heads off at us

No one thought Benitez was the saviour, everyone knew he would be crap The defence of him now is only that people don't want another sacking. It shows there is no actual defence of the appalling results.

And the kopites are laughing at us because we are a joke team and a joke club. Until we sack Benitez and start acting like we have some sort of self respect, then they will continue to see us a laughing stock. Not that it really matters what other clubs think to be fair.

There is no rational argument for giving him more time. Not one. And there is no manager who goes 5 points from 30 and isn't under pressure from fans, so to blame the fans is a bit bizarre.

 

[JimmyK]

It's understandable after years of abject failure but we've become hysterical.

I understand the dislike of benitez due to his RS connections but he was right about Richarlison and those accusing him of making the whole thing up look ridiculous.

Do you really think a professional manager with his previous achievements (sorry!) would cococt a crazy lie about the reasons behind making a substitution? Like he is too afraid to stand by his decisions or admit to them? He's clearly not afraid to challenge people when he feels it's necessary (whether you agree with the reasons for it or not).

I get that we're hurting but the supporters are becoming a laughing stock and part of the problem. We need to take a hard look at ourselves

I think it's very naive to believe that managers don't concoct stories to suit their agenda they all do it to differing degrees but Benitez has history of it which is why people are automatically suspicious of it. Its not the only suspicious thing around here either.

 

[GS Blue - LIVERPOOL FAN]

Sod it, just get rid of him and see what happens next.

I know. If only it wasn't for all the tribal kopite hatred, we could be basking in the glory of 1 win in 10 games.

I'm not saying we should enjoy the current predicament but our recent form isn't solely down to benitez. He's been here a matter of months and has inherited a mess.

He's happy to challenge the structural failings and called out the need to improve transfers and recruitment well before brands left. He knows what needs to change and you can't deny he isn't afraid of a challenge.

If only we just sacked benitez sooner, kept brands and carried on as before. We'd be flying

 

[sageyefc]

I'm just exasperated. Give benitez [Poor language removed] all you want, many think he shouldn't be here in the first place, but the tribal kopite hatred is holding us back and clouding judgement.

It's a sad state of affairs that benitez was seen as our saviour as we all knew it would be problematic but when we're blaming him for anything and everything, we won't be moving forward properly and the kopites will be laughing their heads off at us

He was never seen as a saviour he was rightly seen as being a disaster appointment by pretty much everyone, from fans to pundits to the media, the only one that didn’t is the dope Moshiri.

Everyone’s misgivings have only been proven right, yes his kopite past doesn’t help or the fact he comes across as a nasty piece of work but that’s not clouding anyone’s judgment, the job he’s done up to now which has been nothing short of embarrassing is there for all to see regardless of his past


As for the kopites, they’re already laughing their heads of at the sight of agent Rafael taking us further down the table, ‘raffas at the wheel’ remember them singing that with glee. That alone should’ve seen him sacked that very night

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

Sod it, just get rid of him and see what happens next.


I'm not saying we should enjoy the current predicament but our recent form isn't solely down to benitez. He's been here a matter of months and has inherited a mess.

He's happy to challenge the structural failings and called out the need to improve transfers and recruitment well before brands left. He knows what needs to change and you can't deny he isn't afraid of a challenge.

If only we just sacked benitez sooner, kept brands and carried on as before. We'd be flying

I would very much have preferred that option to our current state, yes.

My disdain for Benitez has absolutely nothing to do with his kopite connections (though that alone should certainly have been enough to disqualify him from the job) but more to do with the fact that he has shown nothing in ~7 years to even vaguely suggest that he's anything more than a busted flush, yesterday's man, a dinosaur.

Many felt the same, and sorry to say, we're being proven right, game by game.

 

[GS Blue - LIVERPOOL FAN]

I would very much have preferred that option to our current state, yes.

My disdain for Benitez has absolutely nothing to do with his kopite connections (though that alone should certainly have been enough to disqualify him from the job) but more to do with the fact that he has shown nothing in ~7 years to even vaguely suggest that he's anything more than a busted flush, yesterday's man, a dinosaur.

Many felt the same, and sorry to say, we're being proven right, game by game.

Fair enough, benitez isnt without blame. But if we see off another European cup winning manager, who will we turn to and when will we start looking elsewhere for the problem?

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

Fair enough, benitez isnt without blame. But if we see off another European cup winning manager, who will we turn to and when will we start looking elsewhere for the problem?

Jesus wept ?

"Fair enough, Benitez isn't without blame. But if we see off another relegated manager, who will we turn to and when will we start looking elsewhere for the problem?"

See how that works? (Also, one of those things happened far more recently than the other)

 

[GS Blue - LIVERPOOL FAN]

I think it's very naive to believe that managers don't concoct stories to suit their agenda they all do it to differing degrees but Benitez has history of it which is why people are automatically suspicious of it. Its not the only suspicious thing around here either.

I didn't say they don't. But if you're suggesting benitez lied about the reason for this substitution or you seriously considered the idea, I'm afraid it's you that needs looking at

 

[GS Blue - LIVERPOOL FAN]

For god's sake, if he thought richarlison was just playing [Poor language removed] or he wanted to tweak the tactics, he'd have just said so! It's absolutely deranged to think we'd have a manager lying about this

 

[JimmyK]

I didn't say they don't. But if you're suggesting benitez lied about the reason for this substitution or you seriously considered the idea, I'm afraid it's you that needs looking at

Signing up to the forum to just insult other fans and stick up for the manager nobody likes is a bold strategy mate i admire it personally but not sure it will work well. Managers regularly lie or at the very least exaggerate about players being injured so there's nothing weird about thinking it might have happened in this case. Even Benitez understood that which is why he got so flustered about Richarlison's reaction because he knew exactly how it looked and why Richarlison has very obviously been told to make a statement saying the manager didn't do anything wrong so I'm not sure why you don't understand it.