2021/22 Richarlison

[DixDean]

Is Nunez is worth 60 to 65m, then DCL is worth no where near that. I doubt any club outside of England would give him a 2nd glance. Best bet for a big fee would be from Arsenal.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

85m is just not realistic. The players who go for that are largely speaking the most productive players in the world and/or the top young talents around. There may have been a window when he was coming off back to back seasons of 13 goals and just turned 23 where you could have aimed for a number that high and had an outside chance of convincing someone to pay it. That is gone now.

He's going to be 25 when the transfer window starts and past his window for development with the flaws of 23 year old Richarlison still truly in place but without the same production. I just can't imagine paying 50m for that personally much less 85m. I know that football is pretty crazy with some of the decision making so who knows, maybe there is a team that falls in love with him and forks over a crap ton. I just can't see it personally.

As far as what I'd do I'd gladly take 40m or whatever amount more we can get and reinvest it. We seemingly have no money and tons of holes in the team. I don't see Richarlison elevating us nearly enough to insist on holding on to. We already have decent enough replacements with Gordon and Gray. Invest some in a young winger and use the rest in midfield and defense.

A player is only worth what a club is willing to spend.

Maguire and Sancho weren't worth a combined £153 million but Utd wanted them and thats what it took to get them.

Siggurdsson wasn't worth £45 million, Pepe £72 million, Grealish £100 million, Nathan Ake £45 million, Andy Carroll £35 million etc etc.

Truth is no one knows what fee we'll fetch for DCL / Richarlison it depends how much the buying club wants said player.

 

[TheBigIguana]

A player is only worth what a club is willing to spend.

Maguire and Sancho weren't worth a combined £153 million but Utd wanted them and thats what it took to get them.

Siggurdsson wasn't worth £45 million, Pepe £72 million, Grealish £100 million, Nathan Ake £45 million, Andy Carroll £35 million etc etc.

Truth is no one knows what fee we'll fetch for DCL / Richarlison it depends how much the buying club wants said player.

The thing is you can construct a case for all of those transfers though. Make the case for Richarlison going for 70m. I'm not sure one exists.

I think the best you can do is point to his goals from two years ago and talk something about work rate. I don't know if that cuts it for a team that has money to spend 70m on one player.

 

[Goat]

I mean the whole of Europe is aware that we need sales in order to buy players.

We hold no cards in any deal we will do this Summer.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

The thing is you can construct a case for all of those transfers though. Make the case for Richarlison going for 70m. I'm not sure one exists.

I think the best you can do is point to his goals from two years ago and talk something about work rate. I don't know if that cuts it for a team that has money to spend 70m on one player.

Thats in your opinion though.

Unless you're the combined DOF/CEO of every potential suitor in Europe you cant say Richarlison isn't worth £70 million as he might be in the eyes of PSG, or Utd, or Athletico Madrid or whoever may want him.

Its a tedious thing in football fans arguing over why a player is or isn't worth what a club has paid for them.

Merson "Everton have ruined the transfer window" its BS as its completely subjective.

 

[TheBigIguana]

Thats in your opinion though.

Unless you're the combined DOF/CEO of every potential suitor in Europe you cant say Richarlison isn't worth £70 million as he might be in the eyes of PSG, or Utd, or Athletico Madrid or whoever may want him.

Its a tedious thing in football fans arguing over why a player is or isn't worth what a club has paid for them.

Merson "Everton have ruined the transfer window" its BS as its completely subjective.

What I'm asking is for you to construct the case that someone like PSG or United would make to justify spending 70m.

Is there really one to be made? Can you give it to me?

Like you can sit here and spout off how everything is subjective so maybe Tom Davies will go for 50m but we all know he won't be because there isn't actually a case for that.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

What I'm asking is for you to construct the case that someone like PSG or United would make to justify spending 70m.

Is there really one to be made? Can you give it to me?

Like you can sit here and spout off how everything is subjective so maybe Tom Davies will go for 50m but we all know he won't be because there isn't actually a case for that.

I dont work at either of those clubs so I cant help you sir.

What you fail to grasp is the point that a product is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it.

What you think is trash is treasure to another person and so on.

My own opinion is that he's a young Brazilian international who has a good marketing profile in South America - he's a 15-20 goal a season forward in a league like France/Germany/Spain imo.

Playing in a better team like Utd he probably gets you 10-12 goals a season in this league which is what Arsenal paid £75 million for Pepe to do and has failed.

 

[TheBigIguana]

I dont work at either of those clubs so I cant help you sir.

What you fail to grasp is the point that a product is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it.

What you think is trash is treasure to another person and so on.

My own opinion is that he's a young Brazilian international who has a good marketing profile in South America - he's a 15-20 goal a season forward in a league like France/Germany/Spain imo.

Playing in a better team like Utd he probably gets you 10-15 goals a season which is what Arsenal paid £75 million for Pepe to try do and has failed.

Again though it is within reason, Tom Davies isn't going for 50m, no one is paying Maguire money for Michael Keane, I can make a case for Pepe at Lille to be worth 75m, but it seems like despite no case for Richarlison being worth 75m you're saying it can happen anyway and I just have to say that's not very believable at this point.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

Again though it is within reason, Tom Davies isn't going for 50m, no one is paying Maguire money for Michael Keane, I can make a case for Pepe at Lille to be worth 75m, but it seems like despite no case for Richarlison being worth 75m you're saying it can happen anyway and I just have to say that's not very believable at this point.

Neither Davies or Keane play for Brazil so it's a mute point you keep trying to make.

If Richarlison was at Lille he would look twice the player Pepe did there.

PSG for example could happily drop £70 million on our door if they wanted a young Brazilian international who barely gets injured banging 15-20 in that lesser league.

 

[TheBigIguana]

Neither Davies or Keane play for Brazil so it's a mute point you keep trying to make.

If Richarlison was at Lille he would look twice the player Pepe did there.

PSG for example could happily drop £70 million on our door if they wanted a young Brazilian international who barely gets injured banging 15-20 in that lesser league.

I guess this is a case, of course multiple parts of it aren't true, but football is a dumb sport so I suppose it could happen.

But seriously imagine going from Mbappe to Richarlison.

 

[KaiserEFC]

I like Richarlison but he doesn’t seem to score any more often than someone like Radzinski did in a similarly poor team.

Maybe my memory isn’t doing me any favours though.

 

[TheBigIguana]

I like Richarlison but he doesn’t seem to score any more often than someone like Radzinski did in a similarly poor team.

Maybe my memory isn’t doing me any favours though.

No you're in range.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

I guess this is a case, of course multiple parts of it aren't true, but football is a dumb sport so I suppose it could happen.

But seriously imagine going from Mbappe to Richarlison.

Thats football mate - we went from Lukaku to Sandro despite having £150 million quid sat in our pockets.

RS went from Torres to Andy Carroll then from Suarez to Origi and Ricky Lambert.

 

[TheBigIguana]

Thats football mate - we went from Lukaku to Sandro despite having £150 million quid sat in our pockets.

RS went from Torres to Andy Carroll then from Suarez to Origi and Ricky Lambert.

It's just so insane to me to think that someone would look at a player who hasn't improved in 5 years, who doesn't do anything at an elite level, and is now two years removed from even being able to go to a normal non-covid impacted Olympics as a youth player (so he's not young is what I'm saying) and say "that is a 70m player."

And yet you're kind of right, it wouldn't be the most shocking thing for it to actually happen. But today I can't wrap my head around it.

 

[Eggs]

The thing is you can construct a case for all of those transfers though. Make the case for Richarlison going for 70m. I'm not sure one exists.

I think the best you can do is point to his goals from two years ago and talk something about work rate. I don't know if that cuts it for a team that has money to spend 70m on one player.

….13 goals in 34 games for Brazil, lading scorer at last summers Olympics. The international stage is very high profile, he will be in demand I have no doubt about that, & demand means we can stand firm on a price.

if I was City, I’d swap him in an instant for Grealish.