Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)

[Michaelcoyb]

How can you throw one of our modern day idols under the bus?

Your done Roberto.

 

[TheHumbleEgg]

The lack of ambition from our own fans in this thread is beyond laughable. I supported the manager up until a few months ago but how can people still be happy with this utter farce at the moment. Fact we are in a position now to push on with the new owner and people still want to go out of their way to defend this rubbish from the manager.
Need to put the phone or laptop down for the weekend and have a look at yourselves. Dread to think what crap wel be writing in November of this year when we are still in the bottom half of the league with this fella in charge.

.....scary innit the 'he needs more time' brigade.

The 'more time' slant could prove VERY destructive indeed.

 

[oldblue]

The only person who has told the public that Baines has been misquoted or that the player's comments were taken out of context is Martinez.

Again, the only person who has told us that Baines has apologised for the above is Martinez. We've not heard one iota from Baines himself!

Well, apart from the original comments which have now been so incorrectly perceived by the press and by multitude of fans according to Martinez.

As I've said before, if the press were wrong then why not allow Baines to clarify this himself? For it is he who has been tarnished if it is true.

Yes he may be shy or may he feel uncomfortable in the spotlight, but arguably his original comments have induced this affair so why not resolve it?

Instead, for many this seems to be an act of censure because Baines was truthful and honest in his original comments.

Can you admit that such a scenario is at least possible if not the more likely one? It may not be correct I admit, but it seems more plausible.

Anything is possible. But all we have about the Baines situation is what Martinez said yesterday and press cuttings. If the player had said something then my gut tells me fans who don't like the manager would say he was forced to. And it would have left him open to attack from the press.
The press brought the comments up again. And from what I remember they didn't quote: 'the chemistry isn't quite there on the pitch at the moment, and hasn't been for awhile'. Martinez wasn't ranting to the press beforehand.
If you think context doesn't matter then why are people even this morning saying that 'no chemistry between players' was a direct quote

 

[oldblue]

.....scary innit the 'he needs more time' brigade.

The 'more time' slant could prove VERY destructive indeed.

Although there is evidence that changing managers leads to further problems more often than not.
It has a tendency to gloss over other issues that need sorting

 

[oldblue]

But when every post that gives an opinion you make is an attempt to disprove peoples arguments for wanting him out then you're not on the fence you are in fact pro Martinez

In a thread called Martinez in/out then yeah being frank people are placed in convenient boxes - thats the entire purpose of the thread isn't it?

Show me one post you have made in counter and critical to any pro martinez posters views and maybe i'd give you an apology about it, but right now you're one of the biggest Martinez supporters trying to look on the surface as if yur positing from a balanced and neutral standpoint - which you are plainly not

It's like me saying i was neutral with the Board last year when every post i made on the subject was critical of those that supported Kenwright etc

Nope. I've agreed with many reasons people are unhappy. I think others aren't convincing.

 

[Tree13]

Imagine you've been asked to talk about your workplace. You've done so in a considered and reasonable way. Then you hear what you said quoted out of context in a way that may upset some of the people you work with. You are asked to clarify them by your boss.
Who are you most unhappy with?

Excellent point. Oh, hold on.....

Your point does't related to the topic at hand. The critical difference between your hypothetical scenario and the one involving Martinez and Baines is that Baines hasn't been quoted out of context.

Other than that gaping chasm where any semblance of logic might have been, I see no flaw in your pro-Martinez spin.

 

[Khalekan]

Hahaha and if he'd of torn in to Lukaku (why call him Golden Boy, idiot) he'd of fumed at Martinez then too, saying whys he having a go at our best player this season etc..

This is what gets me about this non controversy which Bobby has deemed to blow out of proportion and foster an air of crisis in the dressing room.

Rom gave an interview on BT or the BBC the day of the Chelsea cup tie.

He quite plainly stated that "we play the ball around slowly in midfield too often when we should be getting it forward quicker".

That was much more a criticism of philosophyball than owt Leighton said.

Both lads were spot on, though.

Stevie Wonder could testify to that if he sat at Goodison on matchdays.

Yet Bobby decided to make an issue over Baines's remarks whilst, as far as I know, saying nowt about Lukaku's very valid point.

 

[bluewally]

Although there is evidence that changing managers leads to further problems more often than not.
It has a tendency to gloss over other issues that need sorting

There's a lot of evidence in the premier league that it is the right thing to do.
Chelsea, Leicester, Liverpool, Spurs, West ham, Man Utd, Man city......basically most of the teams above us

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Although there is evidence that changing managers leads to further problems more often than not.
It has a tendency to gloss over other issues that need sorting

We are aiming to challenge the top 6 in this league mate.

Would Arsenal, United, City, Chelsea, Spurs or the RS accept 2 seasons of languishing in the bottom half of the table, and allow the incumbent more time to sort it out?

The answer is rhetorical.......therefore why should we?

The time for this club to be thinking small time is over, we need to push on and this bloke has failed - it's that simple. His performance doesn't justify a continuation in his tenure.

 

[granter79]

Although there is evidence that changing managers leads to further problems more often than not.
It has a tendency to gloss over other issues that need sorting

So when is the manager gonna start looking at the defensive side of our game pal? Im all for giving managers a chance but not the ones who don't rate keeping clean sheets and practicing corners on a Friday before a game.
I think you are on one big wind up because the case you are continuing to put forward is laughable.

 

[DrEFC]

Although there is evidence that changing managers leads to further problems more often than not.
It has a tendency to gloss over other issues that need sorting

What other issues are there? He ignores players hes dropped- which I don't necessarily have beef with, although he could handle it better, and we leak goals like a football-hole sized sieve, which I have major issue with- that's on him. hope your have a stress free weekend- and Everton contribute to that!

 

[Number_25]

Changed my stance slightly.

If we don't finish in the top 10 this season, or win the cup - then he has to go.

Throwing Leighton Baines under the bus in the manner that he did is unacceptable and highly unprofessional.

 

[Thomasc]

Although there is evidence that changing managers leads to further problems more often than not.
It has a tendency to gloss over other issues that need sorting

what on earth are you talking about?

the issue we have which needs sorting, is that we need somebody in who knows what they are doing and that can make the team decent again.

In case you hadn't noticed we don't win many football matches, which is kind of the object of the game.

 

[bluewally]

Anything is possible. But all we have about the Baines situation is what Martinez said yesterday and press cuttings. If the player had said something then my gut tells me fans who don't like the manager would say he was forced to. And it would have left him open to attack from the press.
The press brought the comments up again. And from what I remember they didn't quote: 'the chemistry isn't quite there on the pitch at the moment, and hasn't been for awhile'. Martinez wasn't ranting to the press beforehand.
If you think context doesn't matter then why are people even this morning saying that 'no chemistry between players' was a direct quote

Again deflecting from the issue.

If you want to take it in its most literal sense there is a small difference between 'the chemistry isn't quite there on the pitch at the moment, and hasn't been for awhile' and 'no chemistry between players'

However the meaning is the same and it's a huge stretch to call it a misquote

A headline is meant to grab attention most people who have even read a newspaper know that.

 

[kithnou]

Yet Bobby decided to make an issue over Baines's remarks whilst, as far as I know, saying nowt about Lukaku's very valid point.

Even worse, gushing pathetically like BK about Lukaku's comments.